“How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?” • Hacker News Board

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by burkaman » Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 4:40 PM UTC

krelian wrote: post #23

skrowl wrote: post #8

Or... you know... just use something like Telegram that isn't owned by Facebook. Their data-sharing / privacy policy is pretty simple https://telegram.org/privacy 1. Sharing data We never share your data with anyone. No.

Who finances Telegram? Who pays for the serves?

> Pavel Durov, who shares our vision, supplied Telegram with a generous donation through his Digital Fortress fund, so we have quite enough money for the time being. If Telegram runs out, we'll invite our users to donate and add non-essential paid options to break even. But making profits will never be a goal for Telegram.

- https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-are-you-going-to-make-money-o...

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 4:43 PM UTC

krelian wrote: post #23

skrowl wrote: post #8

Or... you know... just use something like Telegram that isn't owned by Facebook. Their data-sharing / privacy policy is pretty simple https://telegram.org/privacy 1. Sharing data We never share your data with anyone. No.

Who finances Telegram? Who pays for the serves?

It's all in their FAQ.

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by nodepackageman » Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 4:43 PM UTC

nicolas_t wrote: post #21

My problem with whatsapp is that there's no way to use it without giving access to my entire contact list to the app. And that's out of the question for me.

There's XPrivacy out there, which proxies apps' requests for various information like contacts or location. But you need a rooted Android phone to use it.

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by AceJohnny2 » Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 4:44 PM UTC

Man, remember the late 90s and early 2000s, when the IM scene was a mess of incompatible networks like ICQ and AIM and MSN Messenger, and people were like "fuck this" and came up with this protocol that was interoperable with all the others through gateways and also it was extendable, and we could all be happy together?...

/grump

The worst part is that WhatsApp is actually based on Jabber >:(

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by plg » Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 4:44 PM UTC

If only there existed a peer to peer solution that doesn't require trusting a central host

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by libeclipse » Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 4:48 PM UTC

skrowl wrote: post #8

Or... you know... just use something like Telegram that isn't owned by Facebook. Their data-sharing / privacy policy is pretty simple https://telegram.org/privacy 1. Sharing data We never share your data with anyone. No.

Telegram uses a home-brewed crypto protocol and posted a challenge to break it by pasting some ciphertext. In my eyes they're ridiculous.

Just use Signal Messager.

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by libeclipse » Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 4:49 PM UTC

MatthiasP wrote: post #28

skrowl wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a serious FUD campaign started by one of the developers of now competing app Signal a few years ago. Now if you mention Telegram on Reddit you're immediately bombed with "OMG TELEGRAM CRYPTO IS BROKEN!" even though 0 people on earth have ever provably decrypted a Telegram message. They even offered a $300K bounty where you could act as the server... no takers.

Does Telegram use E2E encryption by default now, yes or no?

I don't believe so. You have to use "secret chats".

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by the_mitsuhiko » Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 4:49 PM UTC

MatthiasP wrote: post #28

skrowl wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a serious FUD campaign started by one of the developers of now competing app Signal a few years ago. Now if you mention Telegram on Reddit you're immediately bombed with "OMG TELEGRAM CRYPTO IS BROKEN!" even though 0 people on earth have ever provably decrypted a Telegram message. They even offered a $300K bounty where you could act as the server... no takers.

Does Telegram use E2E encryption by default now, yes or no?

For most people the fact that it does not makes it useful. It goves you good multi device support similar to facebook messenger.

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 4:49 PM UTC

MatthiasP wrote: post #28

skrowl wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a serious FUD campaign started by one of the developers of now competing app Signal a few years ago. Now if you mention Telegram on Reddit you're immediately bombed with "OMG TELEGRAM CRYPTO IS BROKEN!" even though 0 people on earth have ever provably decrypted a Telegram message. They even offered a $300K bounty where you could act as the server... no takers.

Does Telegram use E2E encryption by default now, yes or no?

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Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by hueving » Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 4:50 PM UTC

dsacco wrote: post #27

skrowl wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a serious FUD campaign started by one of the developers of now competing app Signal a few years ago. Now if you mention Telegram on Reddit you're immediately bombed with "OMG TELEGRAM CRYPTO IS BROKEN!" even though 0 people on earth have ever provably decrypted a Telegram message. They even offered a $300K bounty where you could act as the server... no takers.

I don't have skin in this game, but I want to mention that contests are not evidence of security. Furthermore, cryptographers other than those working at Signal have expressed distrust for its security.[1][2] What Telegram should do to earn the trust of the technical community (specifically, the security savvy people who criticize it for unorthodox encryption methodologies), is contract a real audit from a leading se…

>is contract a real audit from a leading security firm

Suggestions like this do nothing to dispell the image that modern security firms are little more than a protection racket. If you don't pay for "an audit" from an "industry leading" firm, you'll be shunned by everyone.