I don't have the Share my Account option on Android.
Perhaps you accepted the new terms more than 30 days ago and instead of showing a greyed-out checkbox, they simply hide it altogether.
“How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”
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Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”
#92Man, remember the late 90s and early 2000s, when the IM scene was a mess of incompatible networks like ICQ and AIM and MSN Messenger, and people were like "fuck this" and came up with this protocol that was interoperable with all the others through gateways and also it was extendable, and we could all be happy together?... /grump The worst part is that WhatsApp is actually based on Jabber >:(
> The worst part is that WhatsApp is actually based on Jabber I'm missing something here; why is this a bad thing?
It's ironic; that albeit they started with an open federation protocol they don't federate and are essentially a proprietary service.
Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”
#93Man, remember the late 90s and early 2000s, when the IM scene was a mess of incompatible networks like ICQ and AIM and MSN Messenger, and people were like "fuck this" and came up with this protocol that was interoperable with all the others through gateways and also it was extendable, and we could all be happy together?... /grump The worst part is that WhatsApp is actually based on Jabber >:(
I recently started looking into XMPP again a few days ago. I have a few ideas for projects built on top thereof. Can anybody recommend XMPP servers? I know duckduckgo has an XMPP service up and running, but I can't seem to find any relevant API documentation. All I found was this [0], which doesn't go into details about encryption settings and isn't very useful for programmatic interaction. [0] https://duck.co/blog/p…
I use prosody and it's really slick.
Extensions that implement server-side XEPs are really easy to add on as well. Just git pull the community XEP repo and then add a line to the ini and you can add more superpowers. I have it on a cheap VPS. I'm using conversations with it and it has been mostly flawless. Now I just need a good linux application that understands OMEMO. There's a Gajim hack, but it's kind of messy.
[0]: https://prosody.im/
Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Telegram uses a home-brewed crypto protocol and posted a challenge to break it by pasting some ciphertext. In my eyes they're ridiculous. Just use Signal Messager.
Signal uses a home-brewed crypto protocol(^) and their CTO disallows third party clients, even based on their own open source code. Just use XMPP. (^) Granted, moxie can be considered a crypto expert, and the design got some public auditing.
The Axolotl key management algorithm was jointly developed by Moxie and Trevor Perrin. Both of them are widely respected in cryptography, and the protocol has undergone formal cryptanalysis.
A novel crypto algorithm someone puts up on GitHub is "home-brewed." The Axolotl algorithm can no longer fairly be described as "home-brewed."
Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”
#95There are three active threads about this, the present one and these other two:
"WhatsApp is going to share your phone number with Facebook": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12358751
"Looking ahead for WhatsApp": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12358205
Normally we'd merge the threads, but the discussions are large and come from three different perspectives, so that might not be best. HN practice is to have one front-page thread at a time about a story, but if you're concerned about the topic you might want to check in on the other discussions.
Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”
#96My problem with whatsapp is that there's no way to use it without giving access to my entire contact list to the app. And that's out of the question for me.
I thought with Android Marshmallow and iOS you can deny access to contacts. I guess if you're not on Marshmallow or higher, you're not going to get this benefit
You can't get what's app to do anything if you don't grant it access to your contacts. I ended up creating a new user profile on my phone based on a new Gmail account just to run what's app...
Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yes, I absolutely realize that the protocol had flaws, was overly verbose, the base spec required a continuous connection which is hard/impossible on mobile networks, its extensibility meant that clients could end up with little common compatibility, etc etc... But still.
The protocol is an absolute nightmare to work with, even when you're only using it for your own internal systems and so control everything that's involved. I heard that WhatsApp stopped using it long ago, and if so, that wouldn't surprise me.
Please elaborate on what exactly you dislike about XMPP.
Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most don't like hearing this: if you don't want your personal information to be shared, don't use these "social media" tools. I suspect that you'd be familiar with LinkedIn dark patterns [0] too. [0] https://medium.com/@danrschlosser/linkedin-dark-patterns-3ae...
It's not that simple. There are many many ways that your information can end up being referenced in an identity graph and be discoverable by Facebook that don't involve signing up for Facebook at all. It's more - don't sign into a public wifi network, don't hand over your email address at a checkout, don't sign up for a store card.. oh, and don't sign up for Facebook either. Not just that, but even if your number is…
That practice can be fought more easily in courts. Also the more user deleting they're accounts the less "friends" you have that share your number with facebook.
Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”
#100This is an incredibly ugly dark pattern. The 'share information with Facebook' nugget is hidden behind a toggle at the bottom of the screen, and will be guaranteed to be missed by the 99% of users who just want to talk to their friends. Then, once you've agreed to the terms and conditions, you've got a completely arbitrary 30 days to read an online article which tells you what you've signed up for before WhatsApp is…
Most don't like hearing this: if you don't want your personal information to be shared, don't use these "social media" tools. I suspect that you'd be familiar with LinkedIn dark patterns [0] too. [0] https://medium.com/@danrschlosser/linkedin-dark-patterns-3ae...
That's like saying "If you don't want to eat horse meat, don't eat fast food." Your solution works, but it's entirely reasonable for a consumer to want to get the positive parts of a good or service (even a good or service you don't like) without the negative parts. Market pressure and regulation are both good ways to make it happen.