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Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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I have met people who not only police everyone's behavior and speech for minor deviations from political correctness, but are constantly worried about how their thoughts are not meeting their own high standards. There is a difference between saying things in a public forum and thinking them when you see something crazy on the street. I just think living that way would be totally exhausting and remove a lot of fun fro…

Biases, prejudices and so on are subtle and take a while to unlearn. If you want to get rid of them, you essentially have to interrogate your own thoughts, for better or worse. If you're not conscious of a bias, you can't get rid of it. It doesn't suck the fun out of life.

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Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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Depends on who you are. Excessive interrogation of your own behaviour can be a crippling anxiety disorder.

Sure. Lack of awareness is even worse.

By what objective standard do you make this claim?

As it stands, your comment comes across as flippantly disrespectful and totally void of empathy for those who's lives are actively and continuously harmed by that sort of anxiety; that such anxiety is a perfectly acceptable externality in the process of achieving some theoretically perfect lack of bias.

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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I have met people who not only police everyone's behavior and speech for minor deviations from political correctness, but are constantly worried about how their thoughts are not meeting their own high standards. There is a difference between saying things in a public forum and thinking them when you see something crazy on the street. I just think living that way would be totally exhausting and remove a lot of fun fro…

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Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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We replaced the title with a photo caption from the article that appears to summarize what the researcher means by "showing up". If anyone suggests a better (more accurate and neutral) title, we can change it again.

what about: "Showing up" to your emotions

That was the alternative, but I figured since the article gives a definition of what that means, we might as well use it instead.

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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> Basic morality has already been ingrained in us through evolution and is quite adequate by itself. How exactly did you arrive at that conclusion?

@bholzer put it nicely. Google "chimps and bonobos demonstrate morality". Cooperation increased survivability and that generally has affected our acceptance of what is intrinsic to what feels right. Later religion slapped on meaning to it via super natural explanation which was the best bullshit they could come up with at the time. I get up voted on PC answers by the way but I should have cited some examples.

Seeing a chimp and bonobo demonstrate morality doesn't exactly assure me that a born sense of morality is "adequate enough by itself".

Pretty sure there is a zoo in Cincinnati that agrees with me on that one.

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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Sure. Lack of awareness is even worse.

By what objective standard do you make this claim? As it stands, your comment comes across as flippantly disrespectful and totally void of empathy for those who's lives are actively and continuously harmed by that sort of anxiety; that such anxiety is a perfectly acceptable externality in the process of achieving some theoretically perfect lack of bias.

The middle ground is obviously ideal. some anxiety about your behavior is necessary to be a person anyone wants to spend time with, much less work with. I'd rather be an anxious person (as anyone know knows me will attest I am) than a person nobody wants to be around. There's no panacea for "correct level of self-awareness".

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>> The fact that you want to be unbiased makes you biased for information and people you think are unbiased. >What? I think what is meant is that your analysis of people is different when they say the "right" things. The wife-murdering Earth Day founder comes to mind. As Dag Hammarsköld said: It is much more difficult to care about those close to you than those far away. I have seen plenty of people that use implicit…

> Furthermore, I claim it is a much better goal to be consciously fair in one's dealings, than to seek some mythical state of "biased-less-ness". I'm not seeking a mythical state of being unbiased. I'd say it's more like what you say, trying to be consciously fair. I'm aware that I'm likely to be prejudiced against certain kinds of people, so I try my hardest to be fair when I deal with them.

Knowledge is key to this, but it's not enough. Some people will try to fool you, and then knowledge will help you decide whether that is the case. It may be a cultural thing you haven't picked up on.

If I came across a case of taharrush gamea, Heaven help me. I believe I would turn out a killer. If I came across some guy not being able to tell me he's late with a delivery; I understand it, but to him it's a loss of face? Of course I try to help.

I can't believe defending those in an exposed situation is a bad thing. The thing is: One has to be able to trust oneself without some sort of nonsensical, theoreticsl framework.

Re: Stop the inner struggle over whether your thoughts and feelings are “right”

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I have met people who not only police everyone's behavior and speech for minor deviations from political correctness, but are constantly worried about how their thoughts are not meeting their own high standards. There is a difference between saying things in a public forum and thinking them when you see something crazy on the street. I just think living that way would be totally exhausting and remove a lot of fun fro…

C'mon man, it's not about you and your struggle to find a safe place to crack your precious racist jokes. And I feel your pain. Remember those "How many pollacks does it take..?" jokes? I used to love those. How we laughed and laughed.

But seriously, the article isn't saying "so be an insensitive boor."

It's just warning of the pitfall of being "neurotic" (I mean that in the commonsense, rather than clinical, sense) in the pursuit of happiness.

Really it's only basic bio/psycho-physics: When you worry or stress out what are your muscles doing? They are tense, burning ATP molecules at a furious rate, working to get rid of waste products, and generally feeling uncomfortable.

Now relax. Take a few calming breaths, meditate, have a scotch, whatever. Just let the tissues of your body relax, despite your problems. Make sure you do this in a place where you can reasonably expect not to be interrupted, so your body can commit to it. Lo and behold, you feel better.

There's no magic, and the only mystery is why it seems so mysterious! :-)

Sure the mortgage is still due and you've got no job, but you can cope with all of this much better when your system is relaxed and tuned. Really that's the difference between animals and humans: we can stop, think, and act differently. You "should" be panicking, except that reaction is no longer adaptive.

Really all this article boils down to is: when you start to tense up, stop and take a breath instead. (Unless there really is a bear or something, then just run like hell.)

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As for the challenges of telling racist jokes, the trick is to establish the safe place first. In my cubicle at work we all trust each other enough that we can drop all sorts of stinkers and we can laugh, or throw wads of paper, as apropos. But that's because we all know and trust one another, and it's never mean-spirited. We respect each other so it's safe. And fun.

The issue when you try to have this sort of ease in a larger context is that there are "smiling monsters", racists who have the hate, the illness, in them, and those kind will use the safety to psychologically "knife" the vulnerable members of the group. When there is scope for this sort of thing to happen, people close themselves off to protect themselves, and become more sensitive to "violations" of the safety protocol (aka P.C.). Given the current and historical circumstances, I don't find it an undue burden to hew to the greater common denominator of kind and friendly speech when I'm in public, or even in most private spaces. Only among friends is it humane and proper to cut loose. Basic manners really.

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