Meanwhile solar panel manufacturers are suffering from oversupply, meaning not enough purchasing. This despite the fact that prices are now down to 60 cents a watt or less. Solar will never be cheaper than coal because coal is a rock. it'll always be cheaper to go dig coal than to make something else. Politicians need to deal with this or we are all doomed.
‘Climate change is water change’
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Re: ‘Climate change is water change’
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Water in Southern California is a complex issue that isn't given its proper due - and desalination plants aren't the cure-all that people assume. Desalination plants: are expensive to build; are more energetically expensive than most alternatives, which means they are also more expensive to run (its tough to take salt out of water); inefficient - compared to alternatives, more water must be processed to create the sa…
Is it possible to do desalination entirely without electricity? Ram pumps can pump water to a higher location that the water source without any added energy. The kinetic energy of the moving water is all that is needed. The waves supply the kinetic energy. Once water is pumped into a water tower, then have a bunch of mirrors point at the tower to heat it up. Steam evaporates and flows down to a lower location. Seems…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_still#Practical_consider...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_desalination
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar-powered_desalination_uni...
However, also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawater_greenhouse for a clever agriculture scheme.
Re: ‘Climate change is water change’
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's whole sections of the country that were former agricultural bastions that have gone to seed. We don't need the central valley that badly - although you may not be getting fresh baby spinach in January, there will still be vegetables, and nobody is going to starve.
I am specifically not talking about the Central Valley. The Central Valley is not a desert, nor is it irrigated using water from the Colorado river (AFAIK). Please research this topic before responding again. Edit: spinach? I'm also talking potatoes, carrots, lettuce, onions, broccoli and cauliflower. I wish we were only at risk of losing spinach.
Quite a bit of the southern part of the San Joaquin Valley (which is the southern limb of the Central Valley, the Sacramento Valley is the northern limb) is, in fact, desert.
Re: ‘Climate change is water change’
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am specifically not talking about the Central Valley. The Central Valley is not a desert, nor is it irrigated using water from the Colorado river (AFAIK). Please research this topic before responding again. Edit: spinach? I'm also talking potatoes, carrots, lettuce, onions, broccoli and cauliflower. I wish we were only at risk of losing spinach.
> The Central Valley is not a desert, Quite a bit of the southern part of the San Joaquin Valley (which is the southern limb of the Central Valley, the Sacramento Valley is the northern limb) is, in fact, desert.
Re: ‘Climate change is water change’
#35People talk about this being "unprecedented" however there is ample evidence that the Pueblo people lived in the Colorado River watershed, and then moved on after an extended drought. That was a few thousand years ago, and frankly I don't see the residents of Las Vegas moving on, but I can imagine that changes that happen with or without anthropogenic contribution have been affecting communities in the area. Where is…
Growing up in one of the wetter areas, we can't even figure out how to deal with a spring thaw bringing so much water that it floods and destroys towns. What you're proposing sounds even harder.
Re: ‘Climate change is water change’
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's whole sections of the country that were former agricultural bastions that have gone to seed. We don't need the central valley that badly - although you may not be getting fresh baby spinach in January, there will still be vegetables, and nobody is going to starve.
I am specifically not talking about the Central Valley. The Central Valley is not a desert, nor is it irrigated using water from the Colorado river (AFAIK). Please research this topic before responding again. Edit: spinach? I'm also talking potatoes, carrots, lettuce, onions, broccoli and cauliflower. I wish we were only at risk of losing spinach.
Re: ‘Climate change is water change’
#37People talk about this being "unprecedented" however there is ample evidence that the Pueblo people lived in the Colorado River watershed, and then moved on after an extended drought. That was a few thousand years ago, and frankly I don't see the residents of Las Vegas moving on, but I can imagine that changes that happen with or without anthropogenic contribution have been affecting communities in the area. Where is…
Anyway, we have raked this river over the coals wastefully for decades. There is lots of room for improvement in terms of better practices. Perhaps they feel they need to be histrionic in order to get lazy-assed, overprivileged Americans to take the problem seriously, but the problem is not remotely new and it not remotely unsolvable. As things get more desperate, I predict the powers that be will get more hard-assed and that will go a long way towards fixing things that, currently, there simply isn't the political will to fix.
Re: ‘Climate change is water change’
#38I think as climate change really starts getting going the American Southwest including California will need to start desalination on a massive scale or risk mass emigration. The current situation is sketchy at best, give it 20 years and most of that area will be bone dry.
Maybe living in a desert isn't such a great idea?
Re: ‘Climate change is water change’
#39People talk about this being "unprecedented" however there is ample evidence that the Pueblo people lived in the Colorado River watershed, and then moved on after an extended drought. That was a few thousand years ago, and frankly I don't see the residents of Las Vegas moving on, but I can imagine that changes that happen with or without anthropogenic contribution have been affecting communities in the area. Where is…
Re: ‘Climate change is water change’
#40I think as climate change really starts getting going the American Southwest including California will need to start desalination on a massive scale or risk mass emigration. The current situation is sketchy at best, give it 20 years and most of that area will be bone dry.
Wouldn't it make more sense to build a gigantic pipeline from Oregon/Washington to California?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Water_and_Power...