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The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

loydb wrote: post #26
justinhensley wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you feel about it showing up in the critically acclaimed film, Hackers? That was my first exposure to it.

Pleased, because I think I'm the answer to the trivia question "What was the first email address to ever appear in a major movie credit roll". Sad, because, damn, is that a bad movie.

I feel you on that. Tron and Sneakers are both more fun, and Sneakers captures computing more accurately.

On the culture side, I don't know of any major films that capture computing culture. Charles Stross's Laundry series does a better job than most (You can still read The Atrocity Archives without a backround in computing, but you'll get this nagging feeling you're missing something), seeing as Stross is up to his eyeballs in computing. It's also the first piece of fiction I know of to reference Symbolics. And of course, the protagonist's name is Bob Oliver Francis Howard. Because that book just couldn't get any more in-jokey. But, you know, in a good way.

"You" and "Daemon" also capture bits of computing fairly well.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by 12381291 »

DonHopkins wrote: post #27

Excellent advice. ESR's ideology is vile, he tries to inject it into everything, and he has no shame. He regularly judges and bullies people on the color of their skin, gender, nationality and religion, and he's certainly not qualified as a "hacker". https://twitter.com/iaincollins/status/719687723590762496 ‏@iaincollins Iain Collins Retweeted $30,000 Logout CSRF TIL ESR is a racist white supremacist and his neo-paga…

What is the point you are making here? Not saying that you're wrong, but these links are unintelligible to me.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

DonHopkins wrote: post #27

Excellent advice. ESR's ideology is vile, he tries to inject it into everything, and he has no shame. He regularly judges and bullies people on the color of their skin, gender, nationality and religion, and he's certainly not qualified as a "hacker". https://twitter.com/iaincollins/status/719687723590762496 ‏@iaincollins Iain Collins Retweeted $30,000 Logout CSRF TIL ESR is a racist white supremacist and his neo-paga…

Yep. He said Mozilla didn't deserve to exist because they removed Eich as head after that debacle. And yeah, he's an awful person.

But he does, to some extent, deserve the title "Hacker," because he genuinely is a talented programmer. We don't have to stoop to his level, and discrininate based on ideology: even if we hate him, we can admit he's got talent.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

12381291 wrote: post #32
DonHopkins wrote: post #27

Excellent advice. ESR's ideology is vile, he tries to inject it into everything, and he has no shame. He regularly judges and bullies people on the color of their skin, gender, nationality and religion, and he's certainly not qualified as a "hacker". https://twitter.com/iaincollins/status/719687723590762496 ‏@iaincollins Iain Collins Retweeted $30,000 Logout CSRF TIL ESR is a racist white supremacist and his neo-paga…

What is the point you are making here? Not saying that you're wrong, but these links are unintelligible to me.

ESR claims that everyone is an SJW, he says that blacks have a lower IQ than whites, and he defended an article called "blacks are lazy," saying that it was accurate. In short, he's a piece of scum. And that's the truth.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by hutzlibu »

loydb wrote: post #13
objectiveariel wrote: post #6

To me, this manifesto has little more than historical value. It's more an expression of generic adolescent angst rather than of hacker culture. It's a poor "manifesto" too. What exactly are the aims of The Hacker? "Exploring", "Outsmarting you", and "judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like". Platitudes, really, if you set aside the emotional outbursts surrounding them. The Jargon File offer…

To be fair, I was pretty damn angsty at the time :) Always exciting to see this pop up someplace new. It's being translated into Polish for a textbook this year as well.

Do you see anything different, today? For example the curious argument... would just apply to the NSA as well...

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by ergothus »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #31
loydb wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pleased, because I think I'm the answer to the trivia question "What was the first email address to ever appear in a major movie credit roll". Sad, because, damn, is that a bad movie.

I feel you on that. Tron and Sneakers are both more fun, and Sneakers captures computing more accurately. On the culture side, I don't know of any major films that capture computing culture. Charles Stross's Laundry series does a better job than most (You can still read The Atrocity Archives without a backround in computing, but you'll get this nagging feeling you're missing something), seeing as Stross is up to his…

So many books in, and I never noticed his name...

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

ergothus wrote: post #38
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel you on that. Tron and Sneakers are both more fun, and Sneakers captures computing more accurately. On the culture side, I don't know of any major films that capture computing culture. Charles Stross's Laundry series does a better job than most (You can still read The Atrocity Archives without a backround in computing, but you'll get this nagging feeling you're missing something), seeing as Stross is up to his…

So many books in, and I never noticed his name...

If you mean the protagonist's full name, it's only mentioned in "Pimpf" AFAIK. And even then, not directly. I had to have TvTropes help me put it together.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by justinhensley »

api wrote: post #28
loydb wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pleased, because I think I'm the answer to the trivia question "What was the first email address to ever appear in a major movie credit roll". Sad, because, damn, is that a bad movie.

I think it's a great bit of campy cinema. It's like Wet Hot American Summer with ravers and 90s cyberculture. It's a lot better today than it was when it was made. Instead of lame it feels charmingly funny and nostalgic.

I completely agree. I actually thought it was extremely cool even when it was released, but I was 12.

While a wholly inaccurate portrayal of hacking or even computing, it did contribute to my fascination with both.

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