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Low-income students can soon get federal aid to attend coding schools

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Re: Low-income students can soon get federal aid to attend coding schools

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This is not a good idea.

I've been part of the hiring committees at a handful of companies and there is a big difference between coding schools and real degrees.

That being said, I've yet to interview a candidate who attending a coding school who truly understands software development at any acceptable level to be hired. Maybe for basic web design and very limited front end work these people will find jobs but I fear they will be severely disappointed when trying to make a career.

Re: Low-income students can soon get federal aid to attend coding schools

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I think this is a step in the right direction to address the issue of computer science education and/or coding classes only being accessible to kids from privileged backgrounds. Ultimately, if this is successful (and I know I'm wishing too much at this point), it can lead to greater diversity in the tech workforce or even in academia.

I grew up dirt poor and taught myself (no CS degree here; I started my career before "bootcamps"). I am a white male, so I guess you can claim I had some special privilege or whatever is the SJW thing to say, but that was about it (my family had no car, no computer, no air conditioning, etc)

Re: Low-income students can soon get federal aid to attend coding schools

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This is not a good idea. I've been part of the hiring committees at a handful of companies and there is a big difference between coding schools and real degrees. That being said, I've yet to interview a candidate who attending a coding school who truly understands software development at any acceptable level to be hired. Maybe for basic web design and very limited front end work these people will find jobs but I fear…

I'd say a bootcamper is good for about $24,000 a year to be an apprentice and actually learn on the job.

Re: Low-income students can soon get federal aid to attend coding schools

#36

Oh great more developer puppy mills, except this time secured by the federal government! What a great handout.

Worried about your job, angersock?

I don't think any professional developer is worried about losing their job to a bootcamper who hasn't had at least two years of OJT.

Re: Low-income students can soon get federal aid to attend coding schools

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Why in the fuck is diversity a "thing"? Algorithimic and behavioral diversity maybe. But this bullshit kumbaya bullshit where team composition has to reflect a skin color ratio that's suitable for an ad exec's eye is fucking worthless. I've been "lower income". I've been fucking homeless. You're training technical monkey to do technical jobs. No problem with that but don't fucking be "greater diversity blah blah blah…

I think there are merits to diversity but of course there are also merits to a fully meritocratic system. But I think the ideal situation would be having a fully meritocratic system that has this "diversity" attribute. I feel as though that is a step up from a fully meritocratic system that has virtually no diversity. Also, perhaps having diversity would allow for the development of new types of products and services…

I also agree that there are merits to diversity, it's just that the negatives of forced diversity outweigh the positives.

Re: Low-income students can soon get federal aid to attend coding schools

#38

This is not a good idea. I've been part of the hiring committees at a handful of companies and there is a big difference between coding schools and real degrees. That being said, I've yet to interview a candidate who attending a coding school who truly understands software development at any acceptable level to be hired. Maybe for basic web design and very limited front end work these people will find jobs but I fear…

I've recently taught myself programming and am now working as an apprentice at a local web firm. Can you point to some specific concepts you think I might have missed?

Re: Low-income students can soon get federal aid to attend coding schools

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And chances are the costs of these schools will inflate now that there's free money on the table, just like with regular universities.

Yes, that's my exact concern. The good ones will do well for a while until the bad ones get better at marketing. As they get better at marketing, more dollars will go to them and draw people who don't have the aptitude to be successful in the field. Then those people will - rightfully! - be pissed when they don't get $100k+ jobs and demand that "something be done about this!" And then the good schools will get screwe…

> more dollars will go to them and draw people who don't have the aptitude to be successful in the field. Then those people will - rightfully! - be pissed when they don't get $100k+ jobs and demand that "something be done about this!"

I don't think those WITH the aptitude are qualified for a $100K job. For those who know just what they learned at a bootcamp, I'd think they're prepared for a $20-30K job where they apprentice and OJT their way up to the junior level.

Re: Low-income students can soon get federal aid to attend coding schools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worried about your job, angersock?

I don't think any professional developer is worried about losing their job to a bootcamper who hasn't had at least two years of OJT.

I am actually. I've seen many jobs go to cheaper on-shored labour with no regard for quality or technical ability. I've seen many millions of dollars pissed away and removed from the investment pool.

That money could have been spent on competent people and the investors may have even come out with something to show for it.

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