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PowerShell is open sourced and is available on Linux

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Re: PowerShell is open sourced and is available on Linux

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Post by mhurron »

jdmichal wrote: post #349
mhurron wrote: post #239

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> Once you've piped strongly-typed objects around between your shell commands, text scraping seems barbaric by comparison This is why Powershell is a great thing on Windows. Windows works with .Net objects and Powershell works directly with those objects. It's also why I don't see the reason to be excited that it can run on OS X and Linux now, because neither of those systems work by passing .Net objects around. You…

I'm assuming that the Powershell port includes some subset of the standard cmdlets, which will handle serializing to and from objects.

A subset means it doesn't work as well or the same way.

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

optforfon wrote: post #228
otoburb wrote: post #5

Microsoft is projecting that the .NET ecosystem will become a main revenue driver, regardless of the underlying operating system.

By giving everything away for free? The only related revenue stream M$ seems to have left is Azure with some vague notion that giving away their ecosystem will drive people to use their cloud more

Windows isn't free. Office isn't free. All of their enterprise server software isn't free.

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Post by grkvlt »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #246
daveloyall wrote: post #215

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Imagine trying? Sir/Ma'am, I have done so. When boxed in-between the fearsome foursome--`bash`, `sed`, `awk`, and `emacs`--every problem involving tabular data (2D) is trivial. Hm, I'll give a shout-out to `sort` and `uniq`, too! When you go 3D, you might need to bring in `join`. But anyway, you'd use find ~/bin /usr/bin -mtime 1 -executable -type f -ls ..to provide `ls -la` output for every executable, ordinary file…

Hey, don't forget cut and xargs!

And paste for tasks requiring the opposite of cut, then there's tr, the lightweight sed. And jq for structured queries on JSON. But, all these are built in to poweshell, essentially.

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Post by UK-AL »

bad_user wrote: post #312
artimaeis wrote: post #287

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Java seemed to have a lot more options for deployments and monitoring for a long time. More advanced 3rd party libraries in general. It had simply been around longer and thus had those tools available. Now that C# has been standard for a while almost all of those tools have a C# equivalent. As a .NET dev I'd actually argue that the things available to C# now are actually better (especially Visual Studio), but that's…

Meh, to make Visual Studio do IDE-like things, people install things like ReSharper, built by the same people that are building IntelliJ IDEA. And I worked with both and IntelliJ is much smarter, and has support for way more technologies. And yes, it's built in Java and can be sluggish, but then again I'm using it on both Linux and OS X and runs just fine on Windows too, so it doesn't tie me to an OS I don't want. Al…

http://fsharp.github.io/FAKE/

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Post by xigency »

Delmania wrote: post #396
xigency wrote: post #387

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GitHub is just the distribution here, and software licenses are subject to change. That's the embrace portion. Hypothetically, Powershell becomes widely used on Unix, and Microsoft releases Powershell 2, which extends Powershell. This version only runs on Windows and contains killer features. These new features can't be implemented from the GitHub source either technically or because of intellectual property. That's…

So then you switch back to another shell?

Yes, or you buy Windows. That's the purpose of EEE.

That's similar to saying, use a different word processor. Just in this case Powershell is less used than Microsoft Word.

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Post by guitarbill »

joeblau wrote: post #250

Is there anything preventing Microsoft from putting a Linux shell natively on Windows? I'm sure PowerShell is awesome, but the DevOps person in me is not excited at all.

this x100. i wish they'd work on chef/puppet/ansible/salt support instead. probably never going to happen though, so much functionality in windows isn't available from the command line.

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Post by douche »

Jtsummers wrote: post #179
astrodust wrote: post #149

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This is why I find PowerShell to be an answer to a question nobody asked. If bash/zsh isn't cutting it for you, drop into something like Python, Ruby or Perl to do the heavy lifting. PowerShell will never accumulate a library as comprehensive as what any of those three have, each has had decades to accumulate packages of all kinds, and more are still being added. It's odd, but not surprising given their history of "N…

Last IronPython release: 2014 Last IronRuby release: 2011

I used to love Python when I came to it years about after slogging along through QBasic, VB6, C++ and C, but in this day and age, it doesn't really offer much to me over doing things in modern C#, especially on the CLR. I appreciate some of the changes that were made to the runtime to support IronPython, like dynamic support and the DLR, but if I'm going to be doing something not-C#, then I'd rather go towards F#.

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Post by lucb1e »

JeffreySnover wrote: post #219
emodendroket wrote: post #136

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The point of PowerShell isn't just to write scripts but to work as an interactive shell.

That is not quite right. At the end of the day it is all about automation. But we took the position that the way Admins automate is by scripting the things that they do in an interactive shell. Bruce Payette had a great way of saying it - he said that the lifecycle of 99% of scripts starts at the prompt and ends at the carriage return. Then, somethings you want to codify things so you put it into a script. Then as th…

That is not quite right either. I enter about 200 commands on a normal workday and write maybe two scripts a month in a shell language. A shell language should be a shell language, it's not merely a stepping stone to write a script after using a command just once. If that's what I'm looking for I'll use Python. And from the other side, Python would be a terrible shell (by default), and that's fine because that's not what it's used for.

If Powershell is made for both, it has to make compromises both as a shell language and as a scripting language. This is one of the things that annoy me about the Windows ecosystem: it ships with no languages beyond a shell, which makes scripting for it very annoying, and you can't even install a language of choice via a package manager (one has to go find a download somewhere on the web).

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Post by vardump »

artimaeis wrote: post #287
jimmaswell wrote: post #278

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In what way was C#'s tooling not better?

Java seemed to have a lot more options for deployments and monitoring for a long time. More advanced 3rd party libraries in general. It had simply been around longer and thus had those tools available. Now that C# has been standard for a while almost all of those tools have a C# equivalent. As a .NET dev I'd actually argue that the things available to C# now are actually better (especially Visual Studio), but that's…

> ...things available to C# now are actually better (especially Visual Studio), but that's certainly biased.

You call Visual Studio good? Have you actually used it?

VS2015 is painfully slow, and yes, I've installed all of the updates and I have no plugins or such. Heck, even Eclipse feels zippy compared to it. Something as simple as finding next text search match takes about a second. Changing to a different source code tab is also sluggish.

Context sensitive search (right click identifier -> Find All References) is useless for anything that is even a bit generic. Instead of actually analyzing context, it seems to simply grep all reachable files for a text string. Including SDK headers...

I use VS2015 only for C++, maybe that can have something to do with it. Maybe it works better for C#?

I also dislike how I have to login to use an IDE. Once it cost me 30 minutes of working time, I couldn't login to a god damn IDE that had an expired license. That's a great way to make developers hate your product and ecosystem.

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Post by se6 »

ksk wrote: post #294
se6 wrote: post #290

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Correction then: ip addr | grep "inet " | cut -f 3 -d " "

It still doesn't work (you forgot to add the tr back in your reply after your edit) [kapil@localhost ~]$ ip addr | grep "inet " | tr -s " " | cut -f 3 -d " " 127.0.0.1/8 192.168.128.236/24 [kapil@localhost ~]$ To be honest, I don't consider this to be that bad, I was just replying to a person who thought that bash was "simple", and powershell was "complex". Also, I don't have a problem with either tool. I'm very open…

Thanks, too many edits indeed!
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