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PowerShell is open sourced and is available on Linux

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Re: PowerShell is open sourced and is available on Linux

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Post by denfromufa »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #213
astrodust wrote: post #149

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This is why I find PowerShell to be an answer to a question nobody asked. If bash/zsh isn't cutting it for you, drop into something like Python, Ruby or Perl to do the heavy lifting. PowerShell will never accumulate a library as comprehensive as what any of those three have, each has had decades to accumulate packages of all kinds, and more are still being added. It's odd, but not surprising given their history of "N…

For programming , I agree. However, Python doesn't work as a system shell; for that, you want something optimized for running commands, without having to wrap them in a function call with a list of arguments as strings.

did you try xonsh?

Re: PowerShell is open sourced and is available on Linux

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Post by baq »

npsimons wrote: post #185
astrodust wrote: post #149

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This is why I find PowerShell to be an answer to a question nobody asked. If bash/zsh isn't cutting it for you, drop into something like Python, Ruby or Perl to do the heavy lifting. PowerShell will never accumulate a library as comprehensive as what any of those three have, each has had decades to accumulate packages of all kinds, and more are still being added. It's odd, but not surprising given their history of "N…

I feel very similarly, but then I'm of the mind that if I can't apt-get it, I'm not interested, and I'll bet that "open source" doesn't mean to MS what it means to the open source world. As for the NIH syndrome, one of my favorite Paul Graham essays is still "What Languages Fix" ( http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html ) particularly for C#: the problem that C# was invented to solve is that Microsoft doesn't control Java…

except that C# as a language is by leaps and bounds better than Java (both in syntax and useful features departments), so there have been other problems to solve, too.

Re: PowerShell is open sourced and is available on Linux

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Post by codemac »

patrickmay wrote: post #186
codemac wrote: post #146

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I want to throw my support behind scsh! It's useful for those things that cross the boundaries between a program, and a shell script. I've found once you need functions for a shell program, it's time to step up to scsh. I also wish scsh ports were more well maintained so people could use their favorite schemes with scsh syntax, but it's quite a large codebase to port, so remember that it's scheme48 scheme.

I thought I was the last person using scsh! Now if I could just imbue my coworkers with your good taste....

Nice! :)

I write a lot of my stuff in guile when it's more formalized, but scsh's run syntax is just the bees knees. Can't get rid of it.

Re: PowerShell is open sourced and is available on Linux

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Post by palunon »

npsimons wrote: post #185
astrodust wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I find PowerShell to be an answer to a question nobody asked. If bash/zsh isn't cutting it for you, drop into something like Python, Ruby or Perl to do the heavy lifting. PowerShell will never accumulate a library as comprehensive as what any of those three have, each has had decades to accumulate packages of all kinds, and more are still being added. It's odd, but not surprising given their history of "N…

I feel very similarly, but then I'm of the mind that if I can't apt-get it, I'm not interested, and I'll bet that "open source" doesn't mean to MS what it means to the open source world. As for the NIH syndrome, one of my favorite Paul Graham essays is still "What Languages Fix" ( http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html ) particularly for C#: the problem that C# was invented to solve is that Microsoft doesn't control Java…

>and I'll bet that "open source" doesn't mean to MS what it means to the open source world

The github repo use the MIT licence, so I don't see what you're talking about.

If you want it in your distribution repos, ask your distribution maintainers (and I bet Microsoft is going to do so anyway for the big ones)

Re: PowerShell is open sourced and is available on Linux

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

daveloyall wrote: post #215
PeCaN wrote: post #157

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The reason I chose that particular example was not for the database integration (which is very cool) but for the fact that it's actually something I did. Point is, imagine trying to grep anything tabular in bash. Hypothetically, the output of ls -la for files with execute permission that have been modified in the last day. Or, more realistically, anything involving ps.

Imagine trying? Sir/Ma'am, I have done so. When boxed in-between the fearsome foursome--`bash`, `sed`, `awk`, and `emacs`--every problem involving tabular data (2D) is trivial. Hm, I'll give a shout-out to `sort` and `uniq`, too! When you go 3D, you might need to bring in `join`. But anyway, you'd use find ~/bin /usr/bin -mtime 1 -executable -type f -ls ..to provide `ls -la` output for every executable, ordinary file…

Hey, don't forget cut and xargs!

Re: PowerShell is open sourced and is available on Linux

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Post by JeffreySnover »

njkanjsd wrote: post #139
Analemma_ wrote: post #6

PowerShell is my guilty pleasure of the computing world. Once you've piped strongly-typed objects around between your shell commands, text scraping seems barbaric by comparison. The problem, of course, is that you can't use all that power for much, since the pool of PS-compatible tools and utilities is much shallower than it is for Unix shells. I'm really hoping this will help spur a new wave of PowerShell-compatible…

So many strongly typed shells exist already. I don't understand why arbitrary microsoft shit gets so much love for doing things that have already been done in the OSS world, and doing them poorly. PowerShell is a pile of shit.

I take a super utilitarian view. At the end of the day, PowerShell on Linux is another tool in the toolchest.

PowerShell has a POV about abstracting gorp into high level task oriented abstractions, object pipelines, structured data, and the workflow from interactive shells to ad hoc scripts to formal scripts to production scripting.

That is what a number of people are looking for in their tools and that is why they like PowerShell.

We are constantly looking for ways to improve PowerShell and make it more useful so I'd encourage you to suspend disbelieve long enough to kick the tires. If you see some stuff you don't like, I would be very interested in hearing the details. You don't need to be polite in your feedback but I'd ask you to be specific so that I can identify potential changes.

If you are happy with your existing tools - happy days!

Thanks!

Jeffrey Snover [MSFT]

Re: PowerShell is open sourced and is available on Linux

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

emodendroket wrote: post #143
joshstrange wrote: post #126

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How would that be hard in a *nix shell? mysql > SELECT column_name, data_type, numeric_precision FROM information_schema.columns WHERE table_schema = ? AND table_name = ? AND column_name LIKE "%int%"

Imagine for a second that the DB can't do it and you need to filter the STDOUT output.

That doesn't sound hard at all. AWK, anyone?

Re: PowerShell is open sourced and is available on Linux

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Post by njkanjsd »

nailer wrote: post #223
njkanjsd wrote: post #191

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> But no one uses them, and no one is building an ecosystem around them. About as many people that use powershell, the only people I've seen say nice things about powershell are microshit fanboys that don't know any better. Not sure what you mean by 'ecosystem'.. a very ambiguous term. Linux already has a 'shell ecosystem' far superior to anything windows has. > Even if it's not PowerShell itself, if a different stro…

> the only people I've seen say nice things about powershell are microshit fanboys that don't know any better. I really like Powershell. If you install RHEL or Fedora I'm the 'mikem' in the default /etc/sudoers file.

Uh, okay?
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