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Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by DankCorrector »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #64
DankCorrector wrote: post #56

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Blah blah blah blah blah. Seriously, I know the subject of politics is very opinion base, but there are departments in universities across many lands that attempt to study these systems. Like, look how pathetically anti-war, super-simplified, black/white narrative fitting your perspective is: "war exist to fund defense contractors". oh please, you aren't even responding to my comment or claims. You are just pulling s…

""war exist to fund defense contractors"." You made that up yourself. I said most of our military actions were about pushing politics or capitalism. Which the evidence supports, including many declassified documents. I said military spending in U.S. is excessive, has tons of failed programs, is justified by bribes/votes, and mostly lines pockets of defense contractors and Congress reps. U.S. records give me proof of…

Joint commands fighting the wrong people for the wrong reasons with the initiator of the war admitting in declassified documents they funded and created the enemies.

Cool, so you are going to confuse Iraq with Afghanistan. clap

You are transparent and single dimension. In your narrative, you have erased any possibility that the cost borne by the American people in funding their military can contribute to global security. This is utterly utterly wrong and provenly so when allies who depend on US for security (but do not contribute back) place pressure on the US to develop and deploy technology and material for their defense. But then again, for someone who can only see THAAD is just a mix of profiteering,pork, cronyism, waste and other write offs, I am sure you know better than the false beliefs Korea holds for trying to acquire this useless development.

Again, your narrative isn't new. You haven't demonstrated my beliefs are false (again, if NATO is worthless, why does these nations make commitments they won't keep, why don't they simply leave NATO?) The only thing you have demonstrated is the ontogeny of your beliefs. It is one developed by someone who wants to understand the world through a very simplified lens, a black and white, war exist to fund defense contractors with the evil capitalist pulling some levers, and crony politicians patting each other's backs, not someone who wants to see security as is.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

andybak wrote: post #42
saiya-jin wrote: post #28

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yeah, he is well known a hole, that's for sure. don't look for any altruism/good intentions in his actions, rather ice cold calculation on how to make profit on it in longer term, regardless of consequences

It requires quite a leap to disregard all his public statements and activities, the range of pro-democracy organisations that he has provided financial support for, his advocacy of democracy and the concept of the open society in general, his long-term advocacy for Karl Popper as a major voice in political philosophy and all the other things that point towards a genuine, coherent and consistent belief in the essentia…

Who cares about his motivations? Why should he be able to pour tens of millions of dollars into whatever country or election he pleases to push the voters where he wants them? Why should Rupert Murdoch be able to do similar by buying up media conglomerates? Why should anyone have this kind of power to obviate democracy?

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

tim333 wrote: post #18
piotrjurkiewicz wrote: post #15

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The fact the agenda isn't hidden does not make it less evil. I remind you that Soros (through his Open Society Foundations) supports illegal immigration and people smuggling into the EU: http://news.sky.com/story/sky-finds-handbook-for-eu-bound-mi... His organizations and owned media regularly attack every politician or activist who is against uncontrolled immigration, all over the Europe. His goal apparently is to i…

I'd be surprised if inducing religious and racial tensions to destabilize Europe was Soros' goal. Any evidence from non anti-semitic sources? I'm not surprised he'd be pro refugee. He was a refugee himself.

> I'd be surprised if inducing religious and racial tensions to destabilize Europe was Soros' goal. Any evidence from non anti-semitic sources?

Well, to be spitefully exact, the government of Israel (jackasses that they are!) seems to believe roughly the same thing, especially given Soros' funding of Palestinian activist organizations.

Soros' agenda doesn't have to be card-carryingly evil in order to go against the will of the voters.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by DominikR »

piotrjurkiewicz wrote: post #15
runn1ng wrote: post #12

Nothing in this data leads me to believe Soros does anything more than he states he does. There doesn't seem to be any hidden agenda or any evil master-plan.

The fact the agenda isn't hidden does not make it less evil. I remind you that Soros (through his Open Society Foundations) supports illegal immigration and people smuggling into the EU: http://news.sky.com/story/sky-finds-handbook-for-eu-bound-mi... His organizations and owned media regularly attack every politician or activist who is against uncontrolled immigration, all over the Europe. His goal apparently is to i…

While I believe that Soros is a psychopath I feel that you are paranoid about Russia here. (considering that you are likely Polish I can understand that) They have an arrest warrant against Soros, he'll be put into prison should he ever touch Russian soil again and all Soros funded organisations in Russia have been banned and dismantled. All protests by the EU have been ignored.

Why I believe that Soros is crazy aside from the contents of this leak: He collaborated with the Nazis to profit over the death of Jews even though he is Jewish himself. And then he later bragged about how much money he made this way without showing any regret for his actions.

The leaks also show that he financially supports Palestinian organisations to this day that have the goal to destroy Israel.

Our leaders must be crazy themselves because they apparently hold his views on various self destructive policies in highest regards.

I really wonder what kind of drugs they were on when they decided that it would be a good idea to import millions of illiterate, young men from an alien culture that hates us. We now have terror attacks here in the EU on a regular basis and the rise in violence and rapes can't be hidden anymore.

I guess some men and women just want to see the world burn.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by clevernickname »

DominikR wrote: post #74
piotrjurkiewicz wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact the agenda isn't hidden does not make it less evil. I remind you that Soros (through his Open Society Foundations) supports illegal immigration and people smuggling into the EU: http://news.sky.com/story/sky-finds-handbook-for-eu-bound-mi... His organizations and owned media regularly attack every politician or activist who is against uncontrolled immigration, all over the Europe. His goal apparently is to i…

While I believe that Soros is a psychopath I feel that you are paranoid about Russia here. (considering that you are likely Polish I can understand that) They have an arrest warrant against Soros, he'll be put into prison should he ever touch Russian soil again and all Soros funded organisations in Russia have been banned and dismantled. All protests by the EU have been ignored. Why I believe that Soros is crazy asid…

>I really wonder what kind of drugs they were on when they decided that it would be a good idea to import millions of illiterate, young men from an alien culture that hates us. We now have terror attacks here in the EU on a regular basis and the rise in violence and rapes can't be hidden anymore.

Not only do the elites not see themselves as the same people as us, they fear strong middle classes as a legitimate threat to their power. Mass immigration is just one of many steps towards creating a population that can be ruled by force without accountability.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

DominikR wrote: post #70
NotSammyHagar wrote: post #67

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What does SJW activity actually refer to? People saying it's bad to shoot black people running away from police who aren't armed? Women should get equal pay for equal work, and have control over their own bodies? Both things are just basic human rights. We'll probably never know for sure who did this release. It hurts the dems because it makes them look stupid, but it won't affect the election. If there was a better…

> What does SJW activity actually refer to? A new kind of Socialist class warfare where Democrats now divide the population into countless different "identity" classes that struggle against each other. This reduces cohesion within a society and often leads to violence between these groups. > People saying it's bad to shoot black people running away from police who aren't armed? So a criminal suspect should have the u…

>> People saying it's bad to shoot black people running away from police who aren't armed? >So a criminal suspect should have the universal human right to run away without >being stopped by force? Bonus question: How can a police officer know that a >person running away is not armed? >I don't know where you have read about these supposedly universal human rights, please point me to a link.

Shooting fleeing people in the back is not okay, unless there is some imminent danger. I don't know of one is not an adequate answer, imho. The reason cops seems to shoot black teenagers who run away, and no so many white teenagers, is in my opinion due to a fear of those blacks.

>> Women should get equal pay for equal work, and have control over their own bodies? >Yes, what makes you believe that this is not the case? Please look up some statistics about labour participation by gender. You'll find that much less women work full time jobs than men do, so they obviously will earn less. They also tend to not pursue careers in high paying industries.

Sure, some of it is women taking time off to have families. Don't we want that to be an option? Anyway, this article says you women (who are probably less likely to have taken time off than older women who had more time to have a family) are only suffering 7% lower wages. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/14/on-equal-pay...

>> It hurts the dems because it makes them look stupid >No, it makes them look criminal. That's why the FBI is investigating Hillary and >the Clinton Foundation. > , but it won't affect the election.

Hillary did something stupid, but it was something stupid that the last few sec of states did too. The others didn't get investigated by congress multiple times. That's the difference, she did some stupid shit like others, but the dems didn't spend years trying to find something bad after that. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/03/07/state-dept-concludes..., including Colin Powell. I really hate that she did that, and I supported someone else in the primary. But now she's running against a truly evil, scary character, and there's just no choice.

My hope would be new legislation that says all people, including secs of state will lose their security clearance if they use private email. They all want to do it to hide it from prying eyes, but I do hate it.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

clevernickname wrote: post #75
DominikR wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I believe that Soros is a psychopath I feel that you are paranoid about Russia here. (considering that you are likely Polish I can understand that) They have an arrest warrant against Soros, he'll be put into prison should he ever touch Russian soil again and all Soros funded organisations in Russia have been banned and dismantled. All protests by the EU have been ignored. Why I believe that Soros is crazy asid…

>I really wonder what kind of drugs they were on when they decided that it would be a good idea to import millions of illiterate, young men from an alien culture that hates us. We now have terror attacks here in the EU on a regular basis and the rise in violence and rapes can't be hidden anymore. Not only do the elites not see themselves as the same people as us, they fear strong middle classes as a legitimate threat…

With the added side affect of a surplus of labour putting downward pressure on wages

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by Senji »

ting_bu_dung wrote: post #32
TenOhms wrote: post #30

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Do you have a link to evidence in support of #4? #5 was as expected, taken out of context. All Trump said was that if the Russian did hack Hillary's email, that they release the 'lost/deleted' ones, something FBI wants very much as well. #7 that isn't very surprising considering Obama's policies are so far to the left of most Republicans and frankly so seldom make any sense. #8 again, not surprisingly that this was t…

4.) https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-hacked-emails-of-dnc-op... In mid-June, Democratic Party suspicions about the hackers seemed to be confirmed when CrowdStrike, an outside security firm retained by the DNC, reported that it traced the hackers to two separate units linked to Russia’s security services: the FSB, Russia’s equivalent of the FBI, and GRU, the country’s military intelligence agency. 5.) Trump explic…

> you're ignoring the fact that putin is a dictator that has $200 billion in wealth,

As opposed to the rags to riches dynasties running the US government one after another.

> and has committed various heinous crimes to his people and to other countries

Really? You want to play that game after the US has meddled in half the world and assassinated and deposed democratically elected leaders then installed dictators?

>trump's anti-NATO remark was so bad, republicans ripped up trump for it

Of course they would, they are all interventionist NEOCONs.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by Senji »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #77
DominikR wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does SJW activity actually refer to? A new kind of Socialist class warfare where Democrats now divide the population into countless different "identity" classes that struggle against each other. This reduces cohesion within a society and often leads to violence between these groups. > People saying it's bad to shoot black people running away from police who aren't armed? So a criminal suspect should have the u…

>> People saying it's bad to shoot black people running away from police who aren't armed? >So a criminal suspect should have the universal human right to run away without >being stopped by force? Bonus question: How can a police officer know that a >person running away is not armed? >I don't know where you have read about these supposedly universal human rights, please point me to a link. Shooting fleeing people in…

>Shooting fleeing people in the back is not okay, unless there is some imminent danger

Yes it is. Don't want to get shot? Drop on the ground and surrender.

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