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Can you provide a link with evidence it wasn't? Because every article I've seen cites Russia. Applying Occam's razor and asking "Who benefits?" along with everything about Trump's campaign manager, along with proposed policies re: anti-nato and pro-Russian regional invasions, it all leads to Trump being an unwitting or witting agent of Russia. Trump wants some of that oligarch money. Anyone who doesn't see that is be…
So just to be clear, you have zero evidence to back up your assertion.
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Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks
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yeah, he is well known a hole, that's for sure. don't look for any altruism/good intentions in his actions, rather ice cold calculation on how to make profit on it in longer term, regardless of consequences
It requires quite a leap to disregard all his public statements and activities, the range of pro-democracy organisations that he has provided financial support for, his advocacy of democracy and the concept of the open society in general, his long-term advocacy for Karl Popper as a major voice in political philosophy and all the other things that point towards a genuine, coherent and consistent belief in the essentia…
The open borders zealots like Soros never seem to have a clear answer to this.
Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
It requires quite a leap to disregard all his public statements and activities, the range of pro-democracy organisations that he has provided financial support for, his advocacy of democracy and the concept of the open society in general, his long-term advocacy for Karl Popper as a major voice in political philosophy and all the other things that point towards a genuine, coherent and consistent belief in the essentia…
So riddle me this, if there are no borders demarcating countries, what exactly is the definition of a country? The open borders zealots like Soros never seem to have a clear answer to this.
It comes back to a tendency that I feel more and more is the most pernicious influence of all in the public sphere - the inability of people to believe that those on the other side of a debate are reasonable, rational, intelligent people who are doing their best to solve difficult problems. We (and I include myself here) have a deep-rooted impulse to characterise the other side as either charlatans, crooks or imbeciles.
Taking someone seriously who has reached different conclusions to oneself or has a different worldview triggers such cognitive dissonance that we'd prefer to ascribe to them either nefarious motives or else some kind of mental deficiency.
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"One of Trump's stance on NATO is to put pressure on nations like canada who enjoy the collective security afforded by NATO and benefit from it greatly, but consistently, budget after budget, has never met our commitments to ensure said security. " Nah, nah. There's two things NATO is about: (a) keeping money flowing in these economic empires and involved countries; (b) protecting the security of them. Money first, c…
Blah blah blah blah blah. Seriously, I know the subject of politics is very opinion base, but there are departments in universities across many lands that attempt to study these systems. Like, look how pathetically anti-war, super-simplified, black/white narrative fitting your perspective is: "war exist to fund defense contractors". oh please, you aren't even responding to my comment or claims. You are just pulling s…
You made that up yourself. I said most of our military actions were about pushing politics or capitalism. Which the evidence supports, including many declassified documents. I said military spending in U.S. is excessive, has tons of failed programs, is justified by bribes/votes, and mostly lines pockets of defense contractors and Congress reps. U.S. records give me proof of first two, Congress records have proof of next (i.e. lobbying), and annual reports + track records show proof of last. You're straight-up reciting propaganda of U.S. military connected outfits that contradict results in their own documents. Such contradictions are confusing until you realize they can lie in some places and it's a felony in others. ;)
"oh please, you aren't even responding to my comment or claims."
Sure I am. You implied the U.S. spending is actually about the security of us and NATO. It's provably not. It's a mix of profiteering, waste, and security expenses. Of the security expenses, it's a mix of useless stuff given modern battlefield and stuff that's actually useful which usually costs far less. Your whole spending claim is bogus if it relies on false belief that U.S. military spending is about security. It's partly false if it believes that the small portion spent on security actually improves security. Most is again about jobs (eg votes in key districts), campaign contributions to Congress, military heads getting promoted for appearing to improve something, and so on.
"NATO own studies have shown over and over again that an issue it constantly faced is the uneven spending (as ratio to GPD) of its members"
And since you're belief is false, those that correctly realize most U.S. military spending has no value shouldn't try to support or match that. They should instead just buy what has value in their country spending a tiny fraction on that. Your recent claim supports they are doing this. Smart.
"the reluctance of members to put their troops within joint commands."
Joint commands fighting the wrong people for the wrong reasons with the initiator of the war admitting in declassified documents they funded and created the enemies. Their newest war was projected to create even more. (It did.) That nations are reluctant to support those deployments is again the wise choice. Their citizens or targets shouldn't die for greed or politics.
Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks
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So riddle me this, if there are no borders demarcating countries, what exactly is the definition of a country? The open borders zealots like Soros never seem to have a clear answer to this.
I'm not sure I believe in radically open borders. I'm certainly not saying I agree with Soros on everything. I'm simply saying that people who believe he has sinister intentions are staking out a fairly extreme position. It comes back to a tendency that I feel more and more is the most pernicious influence of all in the public sphere - the inability of people to believe that those on the other side of a debate are re…
Soros is a financial speculator, so he literally makes money off chaos. He made his billions by betting against the Bank of England. Everything he is doing to destabilize Europe and the West makes perfect sense from his point of view. He is simply rationally maximizing his own utility given the tools at his disposal. This isn't immoral, its rationally amoral.
Soros is the perfect counterexample to libertarian fantasies of rational self-interest-run societies. Because it becomes very clear very quickly that one person's self interest is another person's dystopian nightmare.
Childish good and evil narratives don't apply here. It is just a very clear case of good intentions causing immense harm. When there is profit to be made off chaos, you are economically incentivizing it, and will receive more of it.
Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks
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I'm not sure I believe in radically open borders. I'm certainly not saying I agree with Soros on everything. I'm simply saying that people who believe he has sinister intentions are staking out a fairly extreme position. It comes back to a tendency that I feel more and more is the most pernicious influence of all in the public sphere - the inability of people to believe that those on the other side of a debate are re…
This isn't a morality issue. Soros is a very clever, rational, and self serving individual. This is currently the model citizen, as we are all supposed to rationally optimize our own individual utility within the free market. Soros is a financial speculator, so he literally makes money off chaos. He made his billions by betting against the Bank of England. Everything he is doing to destabilize Europe and the West mak…
All his public statements are about promoting stability, democracy and the open society. If your hypothesis is that wants to promote chaos to help him profit from speculation there is no way to do that without also ascribing to him direct intentionality on the matter. He can't 'unconsciously' be creating chaos and 'accidentally' profiting. The cause-and-effect feedback look is too tortuous for this to be a rational explanation for his actions.
So pick your position. He's either a duplicitous puppet-master with no sincere motivation aside from increasing his own wealth - or he is a sincere believer in freedom and democracy - even if he is deluded or incorrect about the long-term effects of his actions.
Note that the second position allows you to believe he still wants to increase his personal wealth - it allows for the possibility that he is a hypocrite to a greater or lesser degree. But there is clear blue water between that and many of the Soros-theories that sound to me like barking mad wingnut fodder.
Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks
#67Cyber war is much preferable to real war. Letting Putin throw the secrets of his enemies into the light to influence an election is probably going to stoke a retaliatory response but another generation of humans will grow up without total war upon them. Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a deterrent.
There is no proof whatsoever that Russia released these materials. In case of the North Korean hacks the US government raised the issue at the UN and provided proof for it to justify sanctions. None of this happened here. I suspect that the Democrats and the very biased media are attempting to divert attention from the content of these leaks away. (like for example Soros basically telling Hillary what to do regarding…
We'll probably never know for sure who did this release. It hurts the dems because it makes them look stupid, but it won't affect the election. If there was a better demagogue than Trump running, it might affect the election.
Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
It requires quite a leap to disregard all his public statements and activities, the range of pro-democracy organisations that he has provided financial support for, his advocacy of democracy and the concept of the open society in general, his long-term advocacy for Karl Popper as a major voice in political philosophy and all the other things that point towards a genuine, coherent and consistent belief in the essentia…
So riddle me this, if there are no borders demarcating countries, what exactly is the definition of a country? The open borders zealots like Soros never seem to have a clear answer to this.
Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks
#69Cyber war is much preferable to real war. Letting Putin throw the secrets of his enemies into the light to influence an election is probably going to stoke a retaliatory response but another generation of humans will grow up without total war upon them. Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a deterrent.
A full on cyber war would be devastating if well orchestrated. Fortunately for us, it's all been piecemeal so far. Full on cyber war to me looks like a erased economy by zeroing every asset and liability in the banks and funds, with pre-corrupted backups. It looks like bricked firmware on every router, industrial process controller, police/fire radio system, public utilities, even vehicles. It would be like an EMP hi…
Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks
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There is no proof whatsoever that Russia released these materials. In case of the North Korean hacks the US government raised the issue at the UN and provided proof for it to justify sanctions. None of this happened here. I suspect that the Democrats and the very biased media are attempting to divert attention from the content of these leaks away. (like for example Soros basically telling Hillary what to do regarding…
What does SJW activity actually refer to? People saying it's bad to shoot black people running away from police who aren't armed? Women should get equal pay for equal work, and have control over their own bodies? Both things are just basic human rights. We'll probably never know for sure who did this release. It hurts the dems because it makes them look stupid, but it won't affect the election. If there was a better…
A new kind of Socialist class warfare where Democrats now divide the population into countless different "identity" classes that struggle against each other.
This reduces cohesion within a society and often leads to violence between these groups.
> People saying it's bad to shoot black people running away from police who aren't armed?
So a criminal suspect should have the universal human right to run away without being stopped by force? Bonus question: How can a police officer know that a person running away is not armed?
I don't know where you have read about these supposedly universal human rights, please point me to a link.
> Women should get equal pay for equal work, and have control over their own bodies?
Yes, what makes you believe that this is not the case? Please look up some statistics about labour participation by gender. You'll find that much less women work full time jobs than men do, so they obviously will earn less. They also tend to not pursue careers in high paying industries.
I'm not going to promote a part time worker to a high position in my company just because the person is female. I'm going to promote the person that works the hardest and has a skill set that is highly valuable to the company.
> It hurts the dems because it makes them look stupid
No, it makes them look criminal. That's why the FBI is investigating Hillary and the Clinton Foundation.
> , but it won't affect the election.
You contradict your previous statement.
> If there was a better demagogue than Trump running, it might affect the election.
You can believe in whatever you like, but you should be at least intellectually honest and recognise that this statement, like all of the statements in your comment isn't backed by any facts.