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Re: What Danes consider healthy children’s television

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Post by tclancy »

marcusgarvey wrote: post #120
benologist wrote: post #62

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That sounds like my 4 year old, right down to the finger song she can sing along with in like 5 languages now lol. Those youtube videos of people with toys are nuts, some of them are like a modern form of story telling and really well made. Some shows I like of hers: - Miles from Tomorrowland, a family adventuring in space with bits of science and physics thrown in - Lost in Oz, it's decades later and Dorothy's daugh…

>Those youtube videos of people with toys are nuts What is this referring to, exactly? Videos of (adults?) playing with toys?

There is a woman who calls herself "Ms. Hands" (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV6P5rRVmiTL637byUZBTrQ) and I can only assume she's a billionaire given how often I hear her awful voice as she pops toys out of Play Doh "eggs". I find the whole genre depressing as hell because I can't help but think of kids watching the videos who have 0 hope of ever actually playing with those toys.

OTOH, I've been thinking off and on about how to start a channel since it's clearly a great way to pay for kids' toys based on the one show we watched where a kid and his dad assembled a gigantic Spider-Man drivable car.

Re: What Danes consider healthy children’s television

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Post by sctb »

arethuza wrote: post #5

"Supreme Being is not only imaginary" I was immensely proud when my son at 4 years old decided to stand up in his pre-school class and point this out to everyone.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12274765 and marked it off-topic. This is a classic flamewar topic and the guidelines ask us to resist introducing it:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: What Danes consider healthy children’s television

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Post by throwanem »

lintiness wrote: post #19
tclancy wrote: post #14

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I am old enough (40) with a daughter who is almost 3, to be a little horrified by kids' TV. It's not that there isn't a ton of "good" stuff for her, it's that there is only "good" stuff. There isn't anything not geared toward teaching her math, reading or morals. When I was a kid, that was PBS and a handful of other shows and the rest of it was people whacking the crap out of each other to make me bug my parents to b…

read this and thought i was talking to myself! those marketing videos with kids opening toys or "acting" with barbie dolls make me want to puke. we're debating getting rid of youtube kids because of all the garbage. pbs kids is much better "educationally", meaning i guess the danes and the article author would hate it. the point of numbers and letters at an early age is not some parental obsession "achievement" but r…

I'm not a parent myself, but my mother didn't teach me to read by age three with numbers-and-letters TV shows. She did that by teaching me to read. I'm not especially smart or perspicacious, but I gather from what she's told me that it didn't take her very long.

Re: What Danes consider healthy children’s television

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Post by WhoBeI »

skrebbel wrote: post #8

Kaj and Andreea is fantastic! I'm Dutch but my wife is Danish. She does her utmost best confronting our kids with Danish TV (we live in Holland), so I understand a bit of what the author is on about. I was initially surprised as well. Truth is, it _is_ entertaining! But most importantly, once you get past the absolutely amateuristic way things are shot (hey, the kids don't care, why should you?), there's a lot of dep…

So, in a way, they are teaching empathy? While others teach frameworks of social acceptance?

Re: What Danes consider healthy children’s television

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Post by pascalmemories »

DanBC wrote: post #71
david-given wrote: post #58

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Go look up some old British children's television. It was made in an era when... um... let's just say that it wasn't focus grouped. Chorlton and the Wheelies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6Ng7VMqet0 Noggin the Nog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bKAYH3Sl8s The Trapdoor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eEXyg1lsZc Bod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfFoj-gFP2M Bagpuss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9beAp3TG…

I love Bagpus. There's also Mister Ben (not sure this stands the test of time) and Ivor the Engine. (And I have fond memories of Danger Mouse, but I'm not sure that's any good either).

What's Danger Mouse?

Is it a translated version of Donnie Murdo? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-5hII715_s

Re: What Danes consider healthy children’s television

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Post by nitrogen »

Jedd wrote: post #94
sverige wrote: post #36

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There are many kinds of evidence that are not reproducible.

I think this is not true. Would you care to provide many examples?

I can't speak for sverige, but in my experience and in observations of others, some types of non-reproducible evidence used to justify belief include:

- Coincidences where the person decided at "random" to take a different route, and ended up avoiding a disaster or helping someone as a result. Counterarguments: confirmation bias, ignoring unconscious intuition.

- Other people saying or doing the right thing at exactly the right time to alleviate a personal suffering the other person "couldn't" have known about. Counterarguments: confirmation bias, underestimating others' intuition/perceptiveness.

- Feeling a funny happy/peaceful/warm/shivery/tingly feeling at the same time as something religious happens or while reading a religious book. Counterargument: fMRI+TcDCS/TcMS experiments (though tentative), other situations in which similar feelings occur like relationships, deeply artistic movies, music, nature, etc.

- Children saying things about subjects they haven't been taught about directly, like a long dead relative. Counterargument: confirmation bias (think of all the misbehavior children commit), and underestimating children's perceptiveness.

- Personal epiphanies, like having unexpected words or an internal dialog instead of monologue popping into mind especially in religious scenarios, for example when praying over someone else, or when reading, etc. Counterarguments: right temporal gyrus (bicameral mind theory), evidence that thoughts occur before we are aware of them, subjective variations in nature of internal monologues and imagery.

Re: What Danes consider healthy children’s television

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Post by marcusgarvey »

mrcoleman wrote: post #125
marcusgarvey wrote: post #120

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>Those youtube videos of people with toys are nuts What is this referring to, exactly? Videos of (adults?) playing with toys?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXVHSeTd7o

Over 17 million views on...this. Wow. Good on her. Thanks for clueing me in to the genre.

Re: What Danes consider healthy children’s television

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Post by marcusgarvey »

tclancy wrote: post #131
marcusgarvey wrote: post #120

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>Those youtube videos of people with toys are nuts What is this referring to, exactly? Videos of (adults?) playing with toys?

There is a woman who calls herself "Ms. Hands" ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV6P5rRVmiTL637byUZBTrQ ) and I can only assume she's a billionaire given how often I hear her awful voice as she pops toys out of Play Doh "eggs". I find the whole genre depressing as hell because I can't help but think of kids watching the videos who have 0 hope of ever actually playing with those toys. OTOH, I've been thinking off an…

> I've been thinking off and on about how to start a channel since it's clearly a great way to pay for kids' toys based on the one show we watched where a kid and his dad assembled a gigantic Spider-Man drivable car.

There's your self-licking ice cream clone. I wonder why it's so pleasurable to watch these kind of unboxing vids. Mirror neurons?

Re: What Danes consider healthy children’s television

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Post by zeristor »

squidfood wrote: post #122
DanBC wrote: post #71

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I love Bagpus. There's also Mister Ben (not sure this stands the test of time) and Ivor the Engine. (And I have fond memories of Danger Mouse, but I'm not sure that's any good either).

My children were the right age about 5 years ago, and everything on your list (and by another comment, Fraggle Rock) held up well for them, and also the watching parents. Sure Mister Ben was a little clunky, but in a fairly timeless way. And Postgate and Henson just had the "storytelling" touch.

And there's the Storyreller, also by Henson too.

Stone soup...

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