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Kaj and Andreea is fantastic! I'm Dutch but my wife is Danish. She does her utmost best confronting our kids with Danish TV (we live in Holland), so I understand a bit of what the author is on about. I was initially surprised as well. Truth is, it _is_ entertaining! But most importantly, once you get past the absolutely amateuristic way things are shot (hey, the kids don't care, why should you?), there's a lot of dep…

Here in Australia we get a mix of US and British kids shows (on ABC Kids, have no idea what is shown on commercial channels), and its trivially easy to pick the US ones because they are dripping in morals, lessons, and such (and are also terrible ). I've started describing it to people as: British shows are designed to entertain first, and perhaps kids can learn something, whereas the US approach is THOU SHALT MAKE S…

Don't forget the importance of nutrition and exercise! There's also some law that these shows have to have a symbol on the screen somewhere that says "E/I", for "educational/informative" I think. In case you couldn't figure it out on your own!

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By the same account, electrons are imaginary as well. Edit for the naysayers: quantum effects too...

There's proof of electrons... Your screen. edit: there's also proof of quantum effect in the real world.

> There's proof of electrons

There's also proof of God: to borrow Sir Christopher Wren's epitaph, si monumentum requiris, circumspice.

I don't mind a little atheist boy proclaiming his disbelief in preschool, but I wonder how his father would feel about a little religious boy proclaiming his belief in that same school.

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Get some copies of the classic Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry 1940-1950 for example. (not the sixties it all goes downhill, the drawing isn't as good, they begin talking, too much characters).

Had the same thought but it's just not that easy. She's at an age where we are trying like hell to convince her hitting isn't the best option, so showing her things like "Hillbilly Hare" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9SrXRNPRCA ) aren't the best idea. She's actually in love with old Pink Panther cartoons right now and it's amazing to see what we used to watch: smoking, violence, a lot of shotguns.

Easily ~Youtube-able option with lots of episodes : "Kipper the Dog".

Also 'findable' : The Clangers (charming 1970s show from the UK); Mr Men; Shaun the Sheep; Mr Benn.

All of these are 'gentle' but fun, and not really educational per-se. Even though you'll end up watching all of these again-and-again, Shaun the Sheep remains entertaining for parents too.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipper_the_Dog

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clangers

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Men

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_the_Sheep

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Benn

Re: What Danes consider healthy children’s television

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At the risk of making a tu quoque argument - if you want to see unhealthy children television, look no further than Cartoon Network.

IMO any TV with adverts is unhealthy childrens's television. Seriously we don't have broadcast TV at home - when the kids go to their grandparents (with us) it's amazing how sad, unkind, and needful they get because the adverts told them they needed $latestPieceOfPlasticTat and we won't buy it for them.

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> And God he says, lives in heaven with Santa Claus and > their dog Marianne, implying that the Supreme Being > is not only imaginary, but also gay. That is like saying Ernie and Bert are gay. I'd appreciate if the author tried a little harder at interpreting childrens television from a childs perspective.

If we are all made in his image, a bit of him must have been gay, trans, fluid, etc. etc. Or is this not how it works?

> If we are all made in his image, a bit of him must have been gay, trans, fluid, etc. etc.

> Or is this not how it works?

I think that the orthodox position would be that man was meant to be in God's image & likeness, but the Fall has warped the world and imperfections have crept in. Kinda like if I took a photograph of you, and then some random person came by and drew on a moustache.

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I am old enough (40) with a daughter who is almost 3, to be a little horrified by kids' TV. It's not that there isn't a ton of "good" stuff for her, it's that there is only "good" stuff. There isn't anything not geared toward teaching her math, reading or morals. When I was a kid, that was PBS and a handful of other shows and the rest of it was people whacking the crap out of each other to make me bug my parents to b…

read this and thought i was talking to myself! those marketing videos with kids opening toys or "acting" with barbie dolls make me want to puke. we're debating getting rid of youtube kids because of all the garbage. pbs kids is much better "educationally", meaning i guess the danes and the article author would hate it. the point of numbers and letters at an early age is not some parental obsession "achievement" but r…

On average kids are vastly smarter than we give them credit for. From 18 months to 4 years, kids add ~10,000 words to their vocabulary with minimal repetition. 26 letters and 10 numbers is nothing as long as it's meaningful for them.

Educational entertainment is more about parents than education. However, kids also like to learn things so interesting and educational are frequently linked when done well.

PS: If you actually want to teach kids to read then integrating subtitles and story seems like a great option.

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You really ought to get to know some Mormons ;) (spoken as a former believer). One reason some groups, like atheists or evangelicals, are so vocal is because they believe that the damage done to society by others not sharing their beliefs will be irreparable. This is why beliefs and decisions need to be rooted in reproducible evidence, rather than the reverse.

There are many kinds of evidence that are not reproducible.

Evidence refers to that which can be evidenced on demand, or rather more apropos, produced upon demand. Therefore, unless you mean something other than the commonly accepted meaning of the term 'evidence', then evidence must be reproducible. Perhaps if you could share some examples, we could explore your definition more fully?

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Kaj and Andreea is fantastic! I'm Dutch but my wife is Danish. She does her utmost best confronting our kids with Danish TV (we live in Holland), so I understand a bit of what the author is on about. I was initially surprised as well. Truth is, it _is_ entertaining! But most importantly, once you get past the absolutely amateuristic way things are shot (hey, the kids don't care, why should you?), there's a lot of dep…

I am old enough (40) with a daughter who is almost 3, to be a little horrified by kids' TV. It's not that there isn't a ton of "good" stuff for her, it's that there is only "good" stuff. There isn't anything not geared toward teaching her math, reading or morals. When I was a kid, that was PBS and a handful of other shows and the rest of it was people whacking the crap out of each other to make me bug my parents to b…

Go look up some old British children's television. It was made in an era when... um... let's just say that it wasn't focus grouped.

Chorlton and the Wheelies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6Ng7VMqet0

Noggin the Nog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bKAYH3Sl8s

The Trapdoor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eEXyg1lsZc

Bod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfFoj-gFP2M

Bagpuss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9beAp3TG2E

...and, of course, the Clangers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3Golf34zPQ

(There's a new series of the Clangers being made. Haven't watched any, I'm too scared it won't be up to the standards of the original...)

Oh! And I nearly forgot the Magic Roundabout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3DcChXNyYQ

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There's proof of electrons... Your screen. edit: there's also proof of quantum effect in the real world.

> There's proof of electrons There's also proof of God: to borrow Sir Christopher Wren's epitaph, si monumentum requiris, circumspice . I don't mind a little atheist boy proclaiming his disbelief in preschool, but I wonder how his father would feel about a little religious boy proclaiming his belief in that same school.

> If you seek his monument, look around you

This, is no proof. At best it's an argument from authority.

You need a little leg up in rhetoric arguments. It has long been decided, by better logicians and theologists than us, that either there's no proof of a supreme being or that it doesn't exist. To borrow vocabulary from another domain, it's a closed issue.

Either way is fine, and I've been careful not to disclose my beliefs.

edit: I used an argument from authority, partly by sarcasm

pedit: musing about languages and brains: I did 3 years of latin classes and was good at it, and although I could roughly understand the latin quote, translating it in English through my native tongue made my brain feel weird, so I took the translation found on wikipedia...

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The most astute observation is that characters on Danish kids TV are often completely, unapologetically flawed. This makes them relatable to kids, and kids enjoy watching them in all their dysfunction. And I actually disagree with the premise that this contains no lessons or morals. Children are able to see clearly how ridiculous and ill-advised the behavior of these characters is, and so learn to recognize it in the…

In Britain, the nihilistic Looney Tunes cartoons like Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry and (above all else) Roadrunner were vastly more popular than anything by Disney.

In fact, I don't think I've even seen a single Mickey Mouse cartoon...

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