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Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by justin66 »

peter303 wrote: post #77
vram22 wrote: post #21

Microsoft has actually been doing Unix related stuff from way back - a fact that might not be known to some. Xenix, then SFU (Services For Unix - for interop - on Win NT or 2K), plus they had (part of?) a POSIX subsystem around then or earlier- I used it a bit for C utility dev work on WinNT), etc.

Xenix-UNIX was way under powered on 16 bit x86s. By the time 32 bit CPUs came along, there were better ports of UNIX like Linux and BSD.

That's completely ahistorical. People were running xenix on 32-bit CPUs well before they were running linux or bsd/386.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by eggy »

rodgerd wrote: post #103
fapjacks wrote: post #63

Honest question: What's the deal with this stuff? I'm not interested in the reasoning that it's done just because they can do it. I mean... Why not just ... use Linux ? I suspect it's a comfort zone thing, and most people really don't want to move out of their comfort zone (and especially programmers have a hard time admitting this). I understand people developing for the platform, but I don't understand people devel…

> I mean... Why not just ... use Linux? Linux as a subsystem of Windows gives me a much better story as far as hardware compatibility and software than the other way around.

For certain things, I agree. For me, it is easier to dual-boot with Win 8.1 as my primary. I tried running pure linux on my laptop, but then had cut myself off from distributing any game I might make for Windows.

I have struggled with MSYS2 several times on Windows, and have broke the installation. Once it hits critical mass, some dependency or setting ruins my whole experience.

But then again, I've been on the wrong side of these discussions before: I was running Minix on my Amiga 500, and I was rooting for Minix over Linux back in the day. I also ran MkLinux on my PowerPC Mac, and was working on my own OS as a variant of minix.

If you are a web dev, and don't do .NET F#/C# then sure, Linux all the way, however, I am curious to see how .NET Core plays out.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by breakingcups »

frik wrote: post #120
jimsparkman wrote: post #58

So far, this has been fantastic. Our team has been seriously considering converting from Windows to Linux for embedded development. (we run Linux VM when needed) Up and running and cross compiling for ARM without issue. Really surprised how it has just worked so far. This came at a great time for us.

So far it's been very bad for us. The always-on telemetry in Win10 draws a big question mark if we can depend on Windows in future. While Windows 7 is great and around until at least 2020, an expensive move to Linux, FreeBSD or Android seems like the better option.

That doesn't seem related to the WSL at all.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by iso-8859-1 »

JonathonW wrote: post #61
RCortex wrote: post #40

Anyone know if it's possible to somehow port the linux subsystem to windows 7 and 8?

No. The Linux subsystem is dependent on new kernel features introduced in Windows 10 (pico processes, which were introduced with 8.1 and improved in 10, improved fork support, file system case sensitivity improvements, memory management changes, etc.).

How has the fork support improved?

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Post by tgarma1234 »

Amezarak wrote: post #143
tgarma1234 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One drive doesn't sync files the way dropbox or gdrive do and it's super annoying. Cortana is no better than Siri or Now in that it basically just sets a timer or dials a contact and everything else in my experience is chock full of irrelevant links and spamming listings. The one thing I actually appreciate with Windows 10 in particular is that the Weather Live tile is good and doesn't have Accuweather or the Weather…

What do you mean it doesn't sync the files the way they do? Can you explain? If I take a picture on my phone, it syncs to my laptop and desktop. If I put something on my computer in my OneDrive folder photo folder, it shows up in the photos on my phone.

Well the main problem I had with One Drive, which is why I started using Google Drive and Dropbox exclusively was this issue: https://onedrive.uservoice.com/forums/262982-onedrive/sugges...

You share a folder, update a file and then the other person does not get the update to that file, so then they are sitting there on the phone with you saying "no I don't see the updated file" and you have to have them login to the web version and basically download the file to their one drive. That happened to me several times and I just gave up on One Drive. I don't know if they fixed that. Yes, it syncs things for YOUR folders but it will not sync things to shared folders.

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