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Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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I can't help but think this is all towards an end which is Docker containers running on Azure's core infrastructure. Having the tooling show up earlier in Windows 10 as it's being flushed out is just a really nice bonus. I've been mostly using bash in windows (installed with git tooling) for a couple years now.

That is not Bash on Windows, it's a totally different thing.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Unfortunately Windows has much better hardware support (e.g. Skylake laptops, multi monitors via displayport MST).

Does it, though? I use four monitors with Linux Mint at work while my laptop is docked. The 'Optimus' dual-GPU thing works out of the box. But I have a Windows 10 gaming rig at home for Star Citizen, and when I installed Windows, it didn't recognize the onboard NIC or the AMD 9790 GPU with default drivers. And as it just so happens, late last night, this same Windows 10 box mysteriously lost network functionality, an…

> Does it, though?

Unless you live in a very special bubble, yes.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Honest question: What's the deal with this stuff? I'm not interested in the reasoning that it's done just because they can do it. I mean... Why not just ... use Linux ? I suspect it's a comfort zone thing, and most people really don't want to move out of their comfort zone (and especially programmers have a hard time admitting this). I understand people developing for the platform, but I don't understand people devel…

> I mean... Why not just ... use Linux?

Linux as a subsystem of Windows gives me a much better story as far as hardware compatibility and software than the other way around.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Can you explain what it is about the operating system that makes a big difference? I have a mix of Android and iOS devices and I really don't have a preference. I never sit down with my tablet to use Android, it's to see the Snapchat my daughter sent me or to play Sequence or to check my email. Likewise I'll pick up my iPod touch when I want to listen to a podcast, browse Instagram, or use Find My Friends. There are…

Sure. There are a couple things. Some of them may be be pretty petty, and some of them are something you can get in Android but aren't that way out of the box. - app organization. One swipe and I'm looking at an alphabetized list of apps I can jump to by letter. This is huge to me, so much easier to find and identify an app versus a 2d grid dominated by icons. - live tiles. My email tile shows me unread emails, photo…

- solved by any launcher

- solved by any launcher

- cannot comment

- gmaps handles this automatically

- cannot comment

- baked into android since L

- gdrive

Nearly usability and UI struggles are easily solved with a custom launcher.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Indeed, and the rumours are that Project Astoria worked too well which scared Microsoft. If Android apps "just worked" on Windows then why would developers bother using their new Universal Windows Platform.

Isn't that basically happened to IBM when they emulated Windows in OS/2? Devs didn't bother to build anything for OS/2.

That wasn't the only reason that OS/2 had been killed. I have used OS/2 2.11 and OS/2 Warp and OS/2 was truly a better Windows than Windows.

There were many other factors that killed OS/2. Just before Warp was released, it was quite hyped in the press. The then unreleased Windows 95 was considered to be a train wreck and OS/2 a true 32-bit operating system. However, once people got their hands on Warp, it turned out that the installation was difficult unless you had hardware that was covered by the relatively small driver base. Moreover IBM didn't really seem to care about supporting OS/2 for end users. So, much of the enthusiasm evaporated even before Windows 95 was released.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Of course Microsoft then licensed XENIX to the Santa Cruz Operation which after several years renamed it to SCO Unix. SCO eventually split apart, but the piece that ended up with SCO Unix renamed themselves the SCO Group. The SCO Group with (possibly indirect) financial backing from Microsoft, attempted to use XENIX in a number of copyright infringement lawsuits to attack Linux vendors.

Hmm, there are a variety of inaccuracies in your short statement. Please carefully read the below so that you can be protected from propagating these errors in the future. · SCO Unix, although it incorporated some Xenix code, was very different from Xenix; it derived a lot from SVR4. · SCO basically went out of business, because their value proposition was "Unix, but on a regular PC so you don't have to buy an expens…

I interviewed at SCO in Santa Cruz, turned it down (was in a phase of life where I required a higher salary - too much dumb debt). The biggest thing they were concerned with was my ability to apply W. Edwards Deming's Statistical Analysis/Planning methods. Just from very short interviews it had the feel of being a "too suddenly large" company trying to get a handle on quality control.

FWIW.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Can you explain what it is about the operating system that makes a big difference? I have a mix of Android and iOS devices and I really don't have a preference. I never sit down with my tablet to use Android, it's to see the Snapchat my daughter sent me or to play Sequence or to check my email. Likewise I'll pick up my iPod touch when I want to listen to a podcast, browse Instagram, or use Find My Friends. There are…

Sure. There are a couple things. Some of them may be be pretty petty, and some of them are something you can get in Android but aren't that way out of the box. - app organization. One swipe and I'm looking at an alphabetized list of apps I can jump to by letter. This is huge to me, so much easier to find and identify an app versus a 2d grid dominated by icons. - live tiles. My email tile shows me unread emails, photo…

- maps are offline by default. Saves on data and helps out a lot when going through poor signal areas, which I do a lot.

Note that Here maps with offline maps is also available on iOS and Android:

https://pages.here.com/app/

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Can you explain what it is about the operating system that makes a big difference? I have a mix of Android and iOS devices and I really don't have a preference. I never sit down with my tablet to use Android, it's to see the Snapchat my daughter sent me or to play Sequence or to check my email. Likewise I'll pick up my iPod touch when I want to listen to a podcast, browse Instagram, or use Find My Friends. There are…

Sure. There are a couple things. Some of them may be be pretty petty, and some of them are something you can get in Android but aren't that way out of the box. - app organization. One swipe and I'm looking at an alphabetized list of apps I can jump to by letter. This is huge to me, so much easier to find and identify an app versus a 2d grid dominated by icons. - live tiles. My email tile shows me unread emails, photo…

One drive doesn't sync files the way dropbox or gdrive do and it's super annoying. Cortana is no better than Siri or Now in that it basically just sets a timer or dials a contact and everything else in my experience is chock full of irrelevant links and spamming listings. The one thing I actually appreciate with Windows 10 in particular is that the Weather Live tile is good and doesn't have Accuweather or the Weather Channel banner ads in it. I am glad they went with just giving you with weather. My LG tablet's weather app is a banner ad crapfest and my iPhone's weather app is pretty much useless by comparison. Why can't everyone just show me whether it's going to rain in the next 15 minutes without subjecting me to ludicrous ads. Seriously. Thank you Windows for that at least.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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Sure. There are a couple things. Some of them may be be pretty petty, and some of them are something you can get in Android but aren't that way out of the box. - app organization. One swipe and I'm looking at an alphabetized list of apps I can jump to by letter. This is huge to me, so much easier to find and identify an app versus a 2d grid dominated by icons. - live tiles. My email tile shows me unread emails, photo…

- solved by any launcher - solved by any launcher - cannot comment - gmaps handles this automatically - cannot comment - baked into android since L - gdrive Nearly usability and UI struggles are easily solved with a custom launcher.

- solved by any launcher - solved by any launcher

Then you have never used Windows Phone. None of the Android launchers provides the equivalent of WP tiles with the same amount of integration. There is no API that launchers could use to pull out the same amount/types of information.

- gmaps handles this automatically

Nonsense. It does some prefetching, but if you are in another country (no data) and you go slightly off-route, there is no maps coverage anymore. Luckily, new versions of Google maps allow you to download offline maps ahead of time as well.

For me the reason to switch if I was still on WP is that the app state is so deplorable that even Microsoft's apps on iOS and Android are miles ahead of WP's counter parts.

Re: The Linux kernel hidden inside Windows 10

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I appreciate your critique, but stand by my original statement. Let me address the items you bring up point by point. Please excuse my brevity. 1. Xenix was based on Bell Labs V7 and then AT&T SVR2, SCO Unix was based on SVR4. Xenix and SCO Unix shared code in addition to that derived from their common ancestry. Claiming that they were "very different" is obviously a matter of opinion. In my opinion, they were pretty…

Regarding #1 that is mashing together two separate products into 1. (I worked for SCO.) The history is that Microsoft were producing Xenix - a port from AT&T. Eventually they decided to stop doing that work themselves as DOS, OS/2, Lan Manager and similar were of interest. (Note though that they ran their email infrastructure on Xenix - it was part of their operational business.) Xenix was handed over to a father and…

Heck Caldera only really wanted OpenServer.

Why did Caldera only want the more dated OpenServer? Did they plan to provide consulting services to existing OpenServer users?

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