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WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

#171

The tinfoil hat crowd was having a field day with this murder before Assange did this, single-handedly moving the "DNC assassination" meme from infowars to outlets like the WaPo. Assange is an anarchist who wants to burn down the system, and he's really smart. I don't know why Seth Rich was killed, but the only thing Assange's actions say to me is that Assange saw an opportunity to pour gasoline on a fire and he took…

If you dont know why Seth Rich was killed then how can you call anyone with their own theory a 'tinfoil hat crowd'?

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#172
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are incorrect. DNC is not state funded.

Actually, in several states the two-party system is baked pretty deeply into the state-level laws. Pennsylvania, for example, has a primary system where one has to declare whether one is Democrat, Republican, or Independent, and then must vote on the ballot corresponding to that declaration (with the Independent ballot holding only referendum questions and not any input into the primary process). Those elections use…

Don't be silly. The DNC is not taxpayer funded, the primary election system that all major parties have access to is. The DNC is funded by non-tax-deductible donations.

I drive to work on government supplied roads, but that doesn't mean you have a moral or legal right to hack my company email.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

#173

Very strong anti-Wikileaks vibe in this thread. But, why? Someone was murdered (irrespective of if they're a Wikileaks source or not) and Wikileaks is putting money on the table to help get it solved and bringing greater attention to it. In my book trying to help solve murders is a Good Thing™. I have to say I am surprised, in 2016, how well the Red Scare still works in the US. You say Russia is behind something and…

Agreed. I'm surprised how quickly the conversation here is steering away from uncovering the truth to a politically charged one.

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#175

Of course you'll be called a "conspiracy theorist" for speculating about this case in any way deviating from the official narrative. But the circumstances are extremely suspicious. The DNC voter expansion data director was found shot dead, assassination style, two bullets in the back, in one of the safest neighborhoods of DC. Nothing was taken off his person. No forensic evidence was left behind. Yet the police deeme…

I live 2 blocks from where he was shot. It is a huge stretch to call the neighborhood "one of the safest". There were two armed robberies within one week of his murder on the same block he was killed. It is very reasonable to think it was a robbery gone wrong. Also, since when is "assassination style" shooting someone in the lower back allowing them to live long enough to get to a hospital?

Most conspiracy theories depend on selectively ignoring any data that doesn't fit your narrative.

"He was shot in the lower back" becomes "Shot in the back", and then embellished to become "shot assassination style". Conspiracy theory 101.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

#176

Very strong anti-Wikileaks vibe in this thread. But, why? Someone was murdered (irrespective of if they're a Wikileaks source or not) and Wikileaks is putting money on the table to help get it solved and bringing greater attention to it. In my book trying to help solve murders is a Good Thing™. I have to say I am surprised, in 2016, how well the Red Scare still works in the US. You say Russia is behind something and…

Paid shills always come out to attack Assange and Wikileaks whenever they appear in a story. You will also see them come out in force whenever Snowden shows up in the news.

And to be clear, I'm not saying Assange is some kind of angel, but the shills are especially shrill with Wikileaks. They're worse than the Hillary shills that are seemingly everywhere these days.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

#177

Very strong anti-Wikileaks vibe in this thread. But, why? Someone was murdered (irrespective of if they're a Wikileaks source or not) and Wikileaks is putting money on the table to help get it solved and bringing greater attention to it. In my book trying to help solve murders is a Good Thing™. I have to say I am surprised, in 2016, how well the Red Scare still works in the US. You say Russia is behind something and…

It's because Assange is just offering this reward to create this news story in order to harm Hillary Clinton as much as possible as part of his personal vendetta against her. I respect Manning and Snowden immensely, but Assange now is clearly playing a personal game which happens to be extremely dangerous for the rest of us.

The guy has practically sacrificed his life and you think he is going to offer $20,000 just to hurt Hillary Clinton?

He is a smart guy and I'm sure if his intention was to get revenge on her he might be able to come up with something a little more creative no?

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

#178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bit of a strawman argument. The least they could do is vet the material with reporters, the media would have jumped all over these emails. If their reporting partners for some reason determined they didn't want to run with the story, then WikiLeaks could just go ahead and do what they've already done. The fact that they don't care about the vetting aspect anymore just confirms the DNC leak was petty and pers…

When you say "vetting" what are you actually suggesting they do? Check to make sure the information is actually true? As far as I can tell they did that. Check the make sure that the information doesn't put peoples lives in danger? It doesn't seem like they put any lives in danger with this leak. Except maybe their source's but I'm not sure how "vetting" the information would have helped that. What pray tell is actua…

Releasing the personal information for all those Turkish women absolutely can put their lives in danger.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

#179
post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in this case, but if it turns out Seth Rich was the source, then I imagine future sources will be wary about leaking to an organisation who carelessly gives away their identities in media interviews. Also compare it to Assange's previous statements about the importance of protecting the anonymity of their sources and that creating ambiguity and uncertainty is one way of doing that.

Identity was given away after he's been killed. That is to say, he was already outed. There is no danger anymore as it's been realized and the people out for blood already got it.

When I said 'careless in the extreme' in my earlier post, I meant that it undermines the entire credibility that Wikileaks is able to protect the anonymity of its sources.

If it loses that credibility, then future leakers will be dissuaded from leaking out of fear that they too will accidentally be outed in a moment of carelessness, and Wikileaks is doomed.

I don't think Assange would risk the reputation of Wikileaks like that, and think that the death of Seth Rich is unfortunately being used as means of subterfuge.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

#180

Of course you'll be called a "conspiracy theorist" for speculating about this case in any way deviating from the official narrative. But the circumstances are extremely suspicious. The DNC voter expansion data director was found shot dead, assassination style, two bullets in the back, in one of the safest neighborhoods of DC. Nothing was taken off his person. No forensic evidence was left behind. Yet the police deeme…

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