If this is a conspiracy and someone knows something about this murder why would $20,000 change their mind if they haven't already reported their knowledge to the police?
WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder
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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder
#72WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…
either all information is public or only those in the power elite circles, which control media and its mediums, will have access to all information. I would rather the power rest in the hands of a well informed many since this is an inherently more fault tolerant system than the orwellian future your assertions seem to imply.
Can I interpret that the only reason you might have been upset at the illegal phone metadata collection program performed by the government is because they didn't release the information in an open-access dataset? Otherwise, fair game?
Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wikileaks has always been political. If someone leaked the rnc's emails, those would probably be out too. Let's not forget Cablegate in 2010. I walked around in Philadelphia talking with DNC protestors, during the DNC. Most of them were democrats, who were glad to have evidence of corruption and collusion between the DNC and Media. Most of the protesters I talked with, only had good things to say about wikileaks, and…
What was the evidence of corruption? Everything that I read was essentially evidence that a political party had internal politics, and that they disfavored the guy that joined the party a year ago (and who promoted the possibility of primarying their sitting president a few years ago).
There were some moderately-questionable emails about where donor checks were being routed. It would take someone with more knowledge of campaign finance than me to say if it was illegal or unethical, but the recipient of the email basically answered "don't send this stuff over text, you idiot".
Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a bit of a strawman argument. The least they could do is vet the material with reporters, the media would have jumped all over these emails. If their reporting partners for some reason determined they didn't want to run with the story, then WikiLeaks could just go ahead and do what they've already done. The fact that they don't care about the vetting aspect anymore just confirms the DNC leak was petty and pers…
> The DNC isn't even a government, wasn't the whole point of WikiLeaks to hold governments and their leaders accountable? I agree that this was personally motivated, but that's a pretty laughable claim. A major political institution was attempting to manipulate an election for the US Presidency, but it's outside Wikileaks' purview because the DNC isn't technically part of the government? Vetting and bias are topics w…
Neither the DNC, RNC, nor any other political party organization is a federal institution.
Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds great! Please post your complete medical and financial history here. Thanks!
Ok. Medical: chronic PVT, and pseudobraintumor due to tetracycline allergie. Financial History 40k per year from 2011-2015 , last year no income, master student CS. That sums it up, I should probably post the details on github soon, since that is the policy of the company im founding following buffer.io precedent. It is my firm belief that openness and honesty is as important for societal progress as it is for the sc…
Why did you redact or omit your social security number and bank account numbers?
Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder
#76A serious question :- In the context of this story, what is the difference between wikileaks offering money for information from a whistle blower and a media outlet offering money for a story (ie chequebook journalism)?
> A serious question :- In the context of this story, what is the difference between wikileaks offering money for information from a whistle blower and a media outlet offering money for a story (ie chequebook journalism)? I see it more like when the police offer a reward for " information leading to the capture of ... ". There's nothing inherently wrong with the media paying for information. It's the same as paying f…
> There's nothing inherently wrong with the media paying for information.
I'm tempted to agree, but almost every reputable media outlet does in fact claim that there's sometimes wrong with paying for stories, most in their own ethics handbook.
The common explanation is that "paying for information creates an additional incentive for subjects to lie or embellish the truth. And even if a subject tells the truth, the fact that he’s been paid undermines the journalist’s position as a disinterested observer".
However, this seems rather absolute for what appears to be only mild cause.
Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder what was Seth Rich's job at DNC ? Technically, could he have leaked those emails ? How can we be sure Assange is dishonest when he implies Seth Rich was the source ? Is there solid proof that Rich was really the victim of a failed robbery and not revenge disguised as robbery ?
>"Whistle-blowers go to significant efforts to get us material and often very significant risks," Assange said. "As a 27-year-old, works for the DNC, was shot in the back, murdered just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington." >When the interviewer interjected that the murder may have been a robbery, Assange pushed back. >"No," he said. "There’s no finding. So… I’m suggest…
> Assange's transparent conflation of the murder of Seth Rich with "our sources" is obvious.
Exactly. It would be careless in the extreme to just accidentally out a source like this, and for all his faults, Assange is far more intelligent and careful than that.
Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wikileaks has always been political. If someone leaked the rnc's emails, those would probably be out too. Let's not forget Cablegate in 2010. I walked around in Philadelphia talking with DNC protestors, during the DNC. Most of them were democrats, who were glad to have evidence of corruption and collusion between the DNC and Media. Most of the protesters I talked with, only had good things to say about wikileaks, and…
What was the evidence of corruption? Everything that I read was essentially evidence that a political party had internal politics, and that they disfavored the guy that joined the party a year ago (and who promoted the possibility of primarying their sitting president a few years ago).
The corruption is that they repeatedly and publicly claimed that they were neutral in the primary process and were clearly not, acting in favor of their preferred candidate as many had said they were. Bernie supporters were dismissed as fringe lunatics believing in a conspiracy theory for reasoning that the DNC was coordinating against them.
Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's simpler than that. In the past, information was passed to trusted reporters because the media was trusted. A lot of what Wikileaks is reporting now is that the media is coordinating with the same people that these leaks are about in the first place. In other words, the media isn't trustworthy. So it's a choice, put it out whole, or take a real risk that it'll never see the light of day. You could argue that Wiki…
That's a bit of a strawman argument. The least they could do is vet the material with reporters, the media would have jumped all over these emails. If their reporting partners for some reason determined they didn't want to run with the story, then WikiLeaks could just go ahead and do what they've already done. The fact that they don't care about the vetting aspect anymore just confirms the DNC leak was petty and pers…
When you say "vetting" what are you actually suggesting they do? Check to make sure the information is actually true? As far as I can tell they did that. Check the make sure that the information doesn't put peoples lives in danger? It doesn't seem like they put any lives in danger with this leak. Except maybe their source's but I'm not sure how "vetting" the information would have helped that.
What pray tell is actually meant by "vetting?"
Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder
#80If this is a conspiracy and someone knows something about this murder why would $20,000 change their mind if they haven't already reported their knowledge to the police?
Presumably that's not the point. It raises awareness of the death (first I've heard of this). That gets people talking (even without proof) and gets the Wikileaks name on anything that does turn up.
Charitably, it could cause someone to realize that some piece of knowledge is part of a larger issue, but I'd be stunned if that was the real point.