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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by billbail »

ceejayoz wrote: post #7
patrickaljord wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it weird that all these critiques from liberals come just when Wikileaks released info that the DNC primaries were rigged. Before that, it was pretty much all praise. Now, it turns out one of their informant may have been the victim of political assassination and you focus on the fact that they released a conversation of a dad and his daughter, which is of course a blunder but still, compared to the other pote…

There is precisely zero evidence the DNC primaries were rigged in the Wikileaks DNC content.

Take a look at the evidence. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-23/leaked-dnc-emails-c...

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee »

dvcc wrote: post #2

WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

Agreed. He's become a megalomaniac; the exact kind of person he fought to stop. Which is really unfortunate, because I do think there is a need for a Wikileaks-type service, especially given the declining state of journalism.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by tanderson92 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #15
mistermann wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the DNC favor one candidate over another in any way?

They had a clear preference, just like the RNC preferred a non-Trump candidate. Imagine what you'd read about Trump in their emails. That's not evidence of election rigging.

This is a weak talking point. The DNC has in its charter that it must be neutral. What the RNC may have thought of Trump is irrelevant. Anyway, you really want to be playing moral limbo with the RNC right now? That is where the moral high ground is?

As others mentioned, there was coordination on talking points as well to discredit his campaign.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by MollyR »

dvcc wrote: post #2

WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

Wikileaks has always been political. If someone leaked the rnc's emails, those would probably be out too. Let's not forget Cablegate in 2010.

I walked around in Philadelphia talking with DNC protestors, during the DNC. Most of them were democrats, who were glad to have evidence of corruption and collusion between the DNC and Media. Most of the protesters I talked with, only had good things to say about wikileaks, and assange.

I think wikileaks knows what they are doing, and are gaining mindshare among the alternative left and right.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by ceejayoz »

billbail wrote: post #21
ceejayoz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is precisely zero evidence the DNC primaries were rigged in the Wikileaks DNC content.

Take a look at the evidence. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-23/leaked-dnc-emails-c...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

> The site was described by CNNMoney as offering a "deeply conspiratorial, anti-establishment and pessimistic view of the world." Financial journalists Felix Salmon and Justin Fox have characterized the site as conspiratorial. Fox described Ivandjiiski as "a wonderfully persistent investigative reporter" and credited him for successfully turning high-frequency trading "into a big political issue," but also termed most of the writing on the website as "half-baked hooey," albeit with some "truth to be gleaned from it." Tim Worstall described the site as a source of hysteria and occasionally misleading information.

> Economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman describes Zero Hedge as a scaremongering outlet that promotes fears of hyperinflation and an "obviously ridiculous" form of "monetary permahawkery." Krugman notes that Bill McBride of Calculated Risk, an economics blog, has treated Zero Hedge with "appropriate contempt."

> Lokey, a former paid Zero Hedge writer who left the website in 2016 over disagreements in editorial direction, characterizes the site's political content as "disingenuous," summarizing its political stances as "Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft."

You'll excuse me wanting a slightly better source.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by zzalpha »

jfaucett wrote: post #19
dvcc wrote: post #2

WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

either all information is public or only those in the power elite circles, which control media and its mediums, will have access to all information. I would rather the power rest in the hands of a well informed many since this is an inherently more fault tolerant system than the orwellian future your assertions seem to imply.

Sounds great!

Please post your complete medical and financial history here.

Thanks!

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by [deleted] »

patrickaljord wrote: post #5
dvcc wrote: post #2

WikiLeaks is becoming a political mess with Assange leading the charge. The philosophy that all information should be public is just absurd. There is a reason that the whistle-blowers prior passed their information to reporters, it allowed for certain pieces of information to be redacted. Sending out the name of every woman voter in Turkey does not benefit anyone. Leaking the private conversation of a man and his dau…

I find it weird that all these critiques from liberals come just when Wikileaks released info that the DNC primaries were rigged. Before that, it was pretty much all praise. Now, it turns out one of their informant may have been the victim of political assassination and you focus on the fact that they released a conversation of a dad and his daughter, which is of course a blunder but still, compared to the other pote…

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Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by koolba »

yitchelle wrote: post #23

A serious question :- In the context of this story, what is the difference between wikileaks offering money for information from a whistle blower and a media outlet offering money for a story (ie chequebook journalism)?

> A serious question :- In the context of this story, what is the difference between wikileaks offering money for information from a whistle blower and a media outlet offering money for a story (ie chequebook journalism)?

I see it more like when the police offer a reward for "information leading to the capture of ...".

There's nothing inherently wrong with the media paying for information. It's the same as paying for hotels and plane tickets to get to and stay at where the story is.

The money issue becomes real when it flows in the other direction. Here's XYZ to run this pro-Clinton piece where XYZ could be something tangible like cash or intangible like future access for quotes/interviews.

Re: WikiLeaks offers $20,000 for information on former DNC staffer's murder

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Post by Vermeulen »

it's pretty clear from interviews with Assange that Wikileaks is entirely ego driven, and always has been. When his trial was happening rather than let Wikileaks distance itself from it, like other leaders like this would, he used it as a tool to argue his case to the public. He has been releasing information out of spite rather than public good. An impartial organization like Wikileaks should exist, that whistleblowers can come to - it just really can't be run like this
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