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Soylent Coffee: Nootropics, fat, carbs, protein

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Re: Soylent Coffee: Nootropics, fat, carbs, protein

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Post by ryanSrich »

bambax wrote: post #39
etaty wrote: post #26

In Europe, you can try : https://www.joylent.eu/ https://www.joylent.eu/products/wake-up-joylent And they also sale bars now! There are other competitor like Queal or Huel

I did try Joylent. I managed to drink one "meal" but couldn't go through the second one. It's the most disgusting thing I have ever encountered. I eat a lot of things many people would consider unsavory, including snails, oysters, cheese, etc., things way past their expiration date, and very bad (cheap) Chinese food. But this, no. I had bought 40 bags of the stuff that sit unused in my cupboard. Maybe Soylent is way…

Worse than your typical high quality protein shake? A warm protein shake with room temperature tap water right after the gym is gag inducing. That's my threshold for gross drinks.

Re: Soylent Coffee: Nootropics, fat, carbs, protein

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Post by chjohasbrouck »

antisthenes wrote: post #44
chjohasbrouck wrote: post #41

One problem with products like Soylent is that the nutrition label is used for marketing, and as a result they consciously engineer the product to optimize for that. Nutrition facts labels and recommended daily intakes vary by country, and they're backed up by a lot of bad science and guessing games. Consider that the USDA recently lifted their recommended maximum intake of cholesterol from 300mg/day (1.5 eggs/day) t…

> that every sugary breakfast cereal and energy drink would seem quite healthy if all you looked at was the nutrition facts label. That is factually false, since their labels do quite accurately reflect that they consist of nothing more than carbs (and a bit of protein, for some cereals). I'm not sure how one would come to a conclusion that energy drinks are good for you from their nutrition label, unless you're assu…

Those are just two product categories well-known for their manipulation of the nutrition facts label, and there are definitely millions of consumers that think they confer health benefits as a result of how the nutrition facts label was manipulated.

Most people think VitaminWater is healthy, and feel like they're doing something good for their body when they drink it. They'd probably be more discerning and come to a better conclusion about that product if you completely removed its nutrition facts label.

Re: Soylent Coffee: Nootropics, fat, carbs, protein

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Post by JohnTHaller »

chjohasbrouck wrote: post #41

One problem with products like Soylent is that the nutrition label is used for marketing, and as a result they consciously engineer the product to optimize for that. Nutrition facts labels and recommended daily intakes vary by country, and they're backed up by a lot of bad science and guessing games. Consider that the USDA recently lifted their recommended maximum intake of cholesterol from 300mg/day (1.5 eggs/day) t…

Which of these looks healthy? http://imgur.com/a/pDRTh

Re: Soylent Coffee: Nootropics, fat, carbs, protein

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Post by WorldMaker »

astrange wrote: post #24
gervase wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My current hypothesis is that them majority of their target market (like their CEO) weren't even born in 1973 when the original movie was released. Even if they've heard of the movie, I doubt they've seen it. From a marketing perspective, it probably has very little impact either way.

The movie was based on a book where soylent wasn't made from people.

No, that twist exists in the book, too. That twist is even spoiled in the book's title: "Make Room! Make Room!". Soylent Green is always people, book or movie.

(It's a sci-fi exploration of Swift's "A Modest Proposal". It always has been.)

(ETA: Yes, Soylent Red is not people. But the point of the book and movie is Soylent Green's "easy" solution to famine.)

Re: Soylent Coffee: Nootropics, fat, carbs, protein

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Post by cowpewter »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #53
chjohasbrouck wrote: post #41

One problem with products like Soylent is that the nutrition label is used for marketing, and as a result they consciously engineer the product to optimize for that. Nutrition facts labels and recommended daily intakes vary by country, and they're backed up by a lot of bad science and guessing games. Consider that the USDA recently lifted their recommended maximum intake of cholesterol from 300mg/day (1.5 eggs/day) t…

Which of these looks healthy? http://imgur.com/a/pDRTh

All three horrify me. I'm a type 2 diabetic though, and read labels pretty close, especially for carb/sugar content.

Re: Soylent Coffee: Nootropics, fat, carbs, protein

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Post by xenihn »

kbd wrote: post #34
MicroBerto wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because we don't know why. Just like we didn't understand omega fatty ratios a couple decades ago. So this has everything to do with it. There's more to diet than numbers, yet if you're on a pure Soylent diet, you're clearly not getting some relatively-unknown things that are almost conclusively beneficial to your body. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. Eat your fruits and vegetables or, statistically speakin…

> yet if you're on a pure Soylent diet... Soylent's marketing puts... people at serious long-term health risk. Even Rosa Labs doesn't recommend a pure Soylent diet. I liked Soylentconor's comment on reddit the other day, pointing out that the right way to look at Soylent is that it's "just food"[1] I'm obviously not arguing Soylent is perfect, but it's almost certainly better than what most people eat most of the tim…

>Even Rosa Labs doesn't recommend a pure Soylent diet.

When did they stop marketing it as a full meal replacement?

Re: Soylent Coffee: Nootropics, fat, carbs, protein

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Post by ac29 »

Applejinx wrote: post #45

Wow. That name is literally from Frederik Pohl's 'The Space Merchants'. Now that's cojones (Pohl died in 2013). I see I'm not the first to notice this, but it's worth noticing. I'd try the stuff, if they didn't put 1,6-Dichloro-1,6-dideoxy-β-D-fructofuranosyl-4-chloro-4-deoxy-α-D-galactopyranoside in it. (the brand name is 'sucralose'). That stuff gets everywhere, but I have a nasty reaction to it and really don't ap…

>if they didn't put 1,6-Dichloro-1,6-dideoxy-β-D-fructofuranosyl-4-chloro-4-deoxy-α-D-galactopyranoside in it.

Some people prefer it over (2R,3R,4S,5S,6R)-2-[(2S,3S,4S,5R)-3,4-dihydroxy-2,5-bis(hydroxymethyl)oxolan-2-yl]oxy-6-(hydroxymethyl)oxane-3,4,5-triol (IUPAC name for sucrose aka table sugar).

There isn't really any purpose in using full chemical names in informal discussion. Most organic chemicals are pretty complicated, so using the full names just makes it seem like you are trying to scare people who don't know any better.

Re: Soylent Coffee: Nootropics, fat, carbs, protein

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Post by unprepare »

chjohasbrouck wrote: post #52
antisthenes wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that every sugary breakfast cereal and energy drink would seem quite healthy if all you looked at was the nutrition facts label. That is factually false, since their labels do quite accurately reflect that they consist of nothing more than carbs (and a bit of protein, for some cereals). I'm not sure how one would come to a conclusion that energy drinks are good for you from their nutrition label, unless you're assu…

Those are just two product categories well-known for their manipulation of the nutrition facts label, and there are definitely millions of consumers that think they confer health benefits as a result of how the nutrition facts label was manipulated. Most people think VitaminWater is healthy, and feel like they're doing something good for their body when they drink it. They'd probably be more discerning and come to a…

thats because of how the products are marketed, not the nutrition label.

people think vitamin water is healthy because its called vitamin water. because the flavors are called things like "immune booster" "essential" "multi-v" and because they give descriptions on exactly what ailment this drink is designed to combat.

putting 1/2 cup as the serving size for ice cream is manipulating a nutrition label to sell more product, putting truthful information on the label and advertising your product as health food anyways is just dishonest marketing.

Re: Soylent Coffee: Nootropics, fat, carbs, protein

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Post by unprepare »

Applejinx wrote: post #45

Wow. That name is literally from Frederik Pohl's 'The Space Merchants'. Now that's cojones (Pohl died in 2013). I see I'm not the first to notice this, but it's worth noticing. I'd try the stuff, if they didn't put 1,6-Dichloro-1,6-dideoxy-β-D-fructofuranosyl-4-chloro-4-deoxy-α-D-galactopyranoside in it. (the brand name is 'sucralose'). That stuff gets everywhere, but I have a nasty reaction to it and really don't ap…

if you really want to avoid calling it sucralose (why?) why dont you just call it chlorinated sugar?

Re: Soylent Coffee: Nootropics, fat, carbs, protein

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Post by groks »

vinchuco wrote: post #11

Sausages are a ground mix of meats. Is there an equivalent for a mix of vegetables, fruits, grains, meat, etc? It would make more sense as a complete cheap meal than a powder, except for being perishable. It brings to mind the 'diet problem' http://www.neos-guide.org/content/diet-problem for which, if optimizing for price only, often suggests that you eat mainly potatoes.

Stew.
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