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IPad screenshots make this thing seem less like a giant iPhone

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Re: IPad screenshots make this thing seem less like a giant iPhone

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Post by vetinari »

amatriain wrote: post #19

It's still crippleware. A lot of people have serious problems with the concept of "single-channel only" software.

This is something I also don't understand. Many people were opposed to introducing DRM, TC etc into Windows and PCs by Microsoft, Intel & co. But when Apple comes and takes the trusted computing much further than the original TC alliance dared to go (they didn't even think about not allowing running unsigned executables or being the only entity with root certificate), it makes eveything allright? Makes me wonder what happened to thought process of techies during last years.

Re: IPad screenshots make this thing seem less like a giant iPhone

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Post by yellowbkpk »

vetinari wrote: post #21
amatriain wrote: post #19

It's still crippleware. A lot of people have serious problems with the concept of "single-channel only" software.

This is something I also don't understand. Many people were opposed to introducing DRM, TC etc into Windows and PCs by Microsoft, Intel & co. But when Apple comes and takes the trusted computing much further than the original TC alliance dared to go (they didn't even think about not allowing running unsigned executables or being the only entity with root certificate), it makes eveything allright? Makes me wonder what…

On the contrary: I've heard nothing but criticism from "techies" about Apple's trusted computing model, but it doesn't matter: the majority of the people that pay for Apple products don't care because it Just Works(tm) for them.

Re: IPad screenshots make this thing seem less like a giant iPhone

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Post by paulgb »

callmeed wrote: post #16
paulgb wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For education / gaming / medicine / industrial / etc etc the apps we see for this format are going to be incredible. I wonder how long Apple will be able to sustain the advantage though. In a year or so when Android tablets are available, I'd predict that any new medicine or industry projects would be more inclined to use an open-source tablet. If I were building, say, an e-ticket redemption system for events, and…

"I'd predict that any new medicine or industry projects would be more inclined to use an open-source tablet." Really? What % of those industries have done that with operating systems and other past decisions?

I'm not aware of any analogous examples. Apple controls the OS, the hardware, and the application distribution channel (I do know about enterprise distribution, but they still control that IIRC.) They've developed a reputation for not being the most friendly to developers, too. Why would you risk a business on that when there is an open source alternative with lots of hardware vendors and a huge corporate backer (Google)?

Re: IPad screenshots make this thing seem less like a giant iPhone

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Post by wollw »

aaronblohowiak wrote: post #8
commieneko wrote: post #4

Brushes is going to be a big deal among people who can draw. The iPhone version is incredible, and the larger screen will make it more so.

kind of like a cintiq, only without pressure sensitivity

When the iPad was first announced it seemed like it could be a great digital sketchbook... until I found out it lacked pressure sensitivity. I know a lot of people have shown off the drawing abilities of the iPhone/iPod Touch but as long as it lacks this Apple is pretty much snubbing artists.

Re: IPad screenshots make this thing seem less like a giant iPhone

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Post by aresant »

zephjc wrote: post #20
aresant wrote: post #2

Most people that have handled an iPad dismiss that it's just a larger iPod Touch - the old axiom a picture is worth a thousand words certainly applies here. For education / gaming / medicine / industrial / etc etc the apps we see for this format are going to be incredible.

"Most people that have handled an iPad dismiss that it's just a larger iPod Touch" Is that a typo ("have handled" -> "haven't handled")? Because reports of actual hands-on use I've read have been glowing. First example I found from google: The iPad is something to be held and experienced, because so many of its advantages are tactile: how it feels in the hand, of course, but also how the software responds. (Where our…

To clarify what I meant was: "dismiss the perception that it's just a larger iPod Touch"

As in I've heard multiple times the iPad is just a big iPad touch, when in fact, it's quite a bit more.

Re: IPad screenshots make this thing seem less like a giant iPhone

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Post by jacabado »

wmf wrote: post #18
jacabado wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure, and nobody can be, but isn't the web an example? When the most common resolution was 800x600 the graphical interface patterns were really bleh.

IMO Web pages wider than 800px generally use the extra space for junk or whitespace.

That's true and probably the reason why interfaces improved so much. Whitespaces are a design element and what you call junk is somebody business need.

The fact that the blank canvas got bigger on the web allowed to much better interface patterns, or maybe it was just a question of maturity.

But I guess the most interesting discussion is not the visual part but the utilization scenarios of the Ipad. I'm not sold on it as a mobile device, but how many people use a laptop as a mobile device? Mobile phones are the first truly mobile devices. I'm just starting to notice Iphone owners on the middle of a crowd trying to text somebody, you have to hold it closer to the horizontal plane to have better accuracy making it less natural.

I'm not sold on the Ipad as a mobile device, in the mobile phones sense, but I also don't think its success depends on it.

Re: IPad screenshots make this thing seem less like a giant iPhone

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Post by ErrantX »

paulgb wrote: post #23
callmeed wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'd predict that any new medicine or industry projects would be more inclined to use an open-source tablet." Really? What % of those industries have done that with operating systems and other past decisions?

I'm not aware of any analogous examples. Apple controls the OS, the hardware, and the application distribution channel (I do know about enterprise distribution, but they still control that IIRC.) They've developed a reputation for not being the most friendly to developers, too. Why would you risk a business on that when there is an open source alternative with lots of hardware vendors and a huge corporate backer (Goo…

Google as a backer is a red herring. They aren't going to be necessairily any use in fixing your problems at 5am on a Monday morning...

On the other hand apple will at least answer the phone when your developer rings them.

Re: IPad screenshots make this thing seem less like a giant iPhone

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Post by rubinelli »

vetinari wrote: post #17
callmeed wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'd predict that any new medicine or industry projects would be more inclined to use an open-source tablet." Really? What % of those industries have done that with operating systems and other past decisions?

what % of those industries have used Macs in the past? There's a reason for that. The Android tablets have advantages, that are only indirectly caused by open source. Having a lot more control over the software, hardware and not to be beholden to a single supplier is invaluable in industrial use.

And the API is Java, not some strange language decision makers have never heard of. Big selling point for large corporations and government agencies.

Re: IPad screenshots make this thing seem less like a giant iPhone

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Post by angumagu »

wollw wrote: post #24
aaronblohowiak wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

kind of like a cintiq, only without pressure sensitivity

When the iPad was first announced it seemed like it could be a great digital sketchbook... until I found out it lacked pressure sensitivity. I know a lot of people have shown off the drawing abilities of the iPhone/iPod Touch but as long as it lacks this Apple is pretty much snubbing artists.

This could be solved with a wireless pressure sensitive stylus with a capacitive tip. I think such a product would make digital artwork a killer app for the iPad.

Re: IPad screenshots make this thing seem less like a giant iPhone

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Post by zephjc »

aresant wrote: post #25
zephjc wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Most people that have handled an iPad dismiss that it's just a larger iPod Touch" Is that a typo ("have handled" -> "haven't handled")? Because reports of actual hands-on use I've read have been glowing. First example I found from google: The iPad is something to be held and experienced, because so many of its advantages are tactile: how it feels in the hand, of course, but also how the software responds. (Where our…

To clarify what I meant was: "dismiss the perception that it's just a larger iPod Touch" As in I've heard multiple times the iPad is just a big iPad touch, when in fact, it's quite a bit more.

Gotcha, thank you!
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