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Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by zafiro17 »

abtinf wrote: post #184

Why does FastMail charge a family account fee, thus making it more expensive to have two accounts under a family account than two individual accounts?

There's benefit that comes with the family account. I use one with wife and kids. You get shared address books and easy read/write access to others' folders you can configure as needed. So I have a folder in my IMAP tree that my wife can read (for bills etc.) and we both have read access to the kids' accounts. And we all share a family address book that I update once for everyone's benefit. In my experience, a family account is more than just a couple of individual accounts under one billing mechanism - it has technical advantages as well.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by chmars »

doh wrote: post #218
exhilaration wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting that this is the top comment, I'm assuming it's because Gmail users like myself just don't see spam anymore - Google's spam filters are so good that I don't even think about it anymore.

Gmail's anti-spam filters have the opposite problem, putting a ton of legit emails into the spam folder. The other day I had to sign a NDA from Google and it ended up in the spam folder. We were on the phone for over 20 minutes just waiting for the NDA to come, until I decided to check the spam folder and sure enough, there it was. The spam filter is in my opinion too dumb for this age. Once you mark one email from o…

I use many filters to deal with legitimate incoming mail – and I usually set the 'Never send it to Spam' tag. That has helped a lot!

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by [deleted] »

jeffmould wrote: post #107
exhilaration wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting that this is the top comment, I'm assuming it's because Gmail users like myself just don't see spam anymore - Google's spam filters are so good that I don't even think about it anymore.

Actually I have a huge issue with Gmail spam filters being over aggressive. Replies to my own emails often find their way to my spam box. I check the spam folder daily and notice at least 5-10 emails that are not spam getting sucked in. Even if I mark them Not Spam, the next day an email from the same address will end up right back there.

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Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by StavrosK »

maccard wrote: post #208
StavrosK wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have your own server (of any kind, even a Raspberry Pi), there's no excuse for not running your own CardDAV, at least (you can also run CalDAV), and it works beautifully: https://www.stavros.io/posts/private-contacts-and-calendars-... Radicale even commits every change to a git repo, if you want, so you can go back to your contacts history an arbitrary amount of time just by using `git log`!

I'm interested in keeping my data private, and willing to pay for it, I'm just not interested in maintaining a server, and dealing with 1) keeping it up, and 2) keeping it secure. I'd just rather pay someone a small monthly/annual fee to do it for me, along with keeping my data private.

That's true, but many people have a home server anyway, so this is a very nice addition.

As an aside, after this article I wanted to give Fastmail a shot, but I had already signed up a while ago and then never logged back in. I asked support if they could give me another trial so I could actually try it out, but they said I had to pay. Not great customer support there, especially since I had sent or received zero emails and creating another account for a trial is trivial...

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by sjs382 »

bad_user wrote: post #76

I'm a FastMail customer. Here's some things I like and why I switched from Gmail and Google Apps: - better shortcuts in the web interface - the mobile web interface is actually good - can import email by IMAP - POP links actually work, Gmail's POP links are broken - IMAP is better implemented - Gmail limits IMAP to 15 max connections and each folder ends up being a connection - CardDAV works and has good picture reso…

   - can import email by IMAP
We recently migrated to GApps sat work, and this is exactly how we imported old mail, so the feature is definitely there. I'm not sure if it's only available for GApps users or only available during some unspecified migration period, though.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by jlg23 »

wcunning wrote: post #105
exhilaration wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting that this is the top comment, I'm assuming it's because Gmail users like myself just don't see spam anymore - Google's spam filters are so good that I don't even think about it anymore.

GMail once ate (bypassed spam and instantly deleted it, silently) an email filled with travel itinerary for an interview, causing me to miss the flight booked for me and the company I was interviewing with to have to book a second one (~$1k). If you find this hard to believe, go check your spam folder and see how many emails you have. Do you think you're really only getting ~1 spam message a day? This is the dark sid…

> bypassed spam and instantly deleted it, silently

Do you have any proof for that - I don't want to see it in detail, but I cannot remember a single incidence where my mail was just silently eaten by google? But I agree with what you said implicitly: gmail should let users chose between "move to spam", "only flag as spam" and "simply delete"; I share your pain of having to go through the spam-folder to find the one mis-classified mail once a month.

EDIT: I have had many user reports about this but when checking mail server logs I always could pin-point the problem at either the local server config or being caught in some "you are evil" classification - the latter much more time intensive to fix....)

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by 0x0 »

joshuak wrote: post #233
honkhonkpants wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no such silent drop. All traffic to Gmail is either delivered or rejected at SMTP time.

This is demonstrably not true. Just send mail to an email list that you are on. The email will be sent (confirm with other list members), however you will not receive it when it is relayed to the group by the listserver. (Or was your comment tongue-in-cheek?)

That's actually an incredibly annoying fallout of gmail's deduplication that cannot be disabled. I believe gmail de-duplicates your list echo because it sees a copy in your sent folder. I wish it could be disabled :-/

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by lisper »

maccard wrote: post #208
StavrosK wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have your own server (of any kind, even a Raspberry Pi), there's no excuse for not running your own CardDAV, at least (you can also run CalDAV), and it works beautifully: https://www.stavros.io/posts/private-contacts-and-calendars-... Radicale even commits every change to a git repo, if you want, so you can go back to your contacts history an arbitrary amount of time just by using `git log`!

I'm interested in keeping my data private, and willing to pay for it, I'm just not interested in maintaining a server, and dealing with 1) keeping it up, and 2) keeping it secure. I'd just rather pay someone a small monthly/annual fee to do it for me, along with keeping my data private.

How much would you be willing to pay?
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