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Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

#31
How does this work with Google Docs? I have a Google Apps account and I don't want to lose all my documents.

Is it possible to have my email usage through FastMail but keep my email address to log in to google so I can still access all my docs?

Or do I need to create a gmail address and move my docs over, then move my email over?

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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post #8

If you are concerned about privacy and gov tracking and getting their hands on your email then whats the point of migrating from one "unsecure" email provider (gmail) to another one (fastmail)? With some of the fastmail servers in US jurisdiction your email is just as safe as with gmail.

> With some of the fastmail servers in US jurisdiction your email is just as safe as with gmail.

That's not really true. The servers themselves and their provider may be under US jurisdiction, but not FastMail itself, which means they can take measures against unauthorized access (e.g. encryption) and they can detect breaches and take steps.

Nothing will be foolproof, of course, since the NSA is the worst enemy you could have and if they have physical access to those servers, you simply can't claim you're 100% protected, but it's much better than nothing.

See: https://www.fastmail.com/about/privacy.html

Furthermore, there are actual trade agreements between countries and if the NSA would access the servers of foreign companies on simple whims, the US can lose a lot of money if customers find out. I know of at least one big German multinational company that banned the usage of several US-based services and tightened security, after the Snowden revelations, for fear of industrial espionage.

In other words, the price for breaching users' privacy is significantly higher, because in Google's case, they just have to ask for it and Google can't even disclose such breaches to their customers even if they wanted.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know what data is transmitted via GCM? It could be a simple "hey check your email" ping to trigger a sync. I doubt the message size allows for much more anyway. It might also be encrypted, whatever it contains.

You would still have some meta-data :-)

Well yeah but if all Google knows is when you're getting push notifications about email, then that's a lot better then them having all your email. I mean, there's a good chance that the person who just emailed you is using Gmail so they still have a lot of your email even if you don't use it at all. It's all a trade-off.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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post #17

Honest question: How is it that GMail is perceived faster than a locally running MUA like mu4e which is quoted in the article? I'm actually using mu4e for exactly this reason: It's so much faster than any web client could ever be. And I'm saying this as a professional web dev^^ And yeah, I know GMail - I was an early adopter and have seen two companies migrate to it in the last five years. Of course, running mail wit…

There's no way of answering this without people perceiving that I am "attacking" mu4e.

Let's just say that mu4e gets its efficiency from memorisation (e.g. hotkeys) and a quirky way of working ("all organisation is a query"). Gmail and FastMail get their efficiency from standard UI elements that most computer users will already know how to use, and discoverability is via UI elements not manpages.

mu4e undeniably has a maximum higher speed. But you'll spend a lot of time fighting the tool until you reach that nirvana.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

#36

Why would you use FastMail when hosting your own mail server has a much higher privacy level? It seems no better than gmail in this respect.

because if you run your own mail server apparently you have a 50/50 shot of having literally none of your mail ever delivered.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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post #17

Honest question: How is it that GMail is perceived faster than a locally running MUA like mu4e which is quoted in the article? I'm actually using mu4e for exactly this reason: It's so much faster than any web client could ever be. And I'm saying this as a professional web dev^^ And yeah, I know GMail - I was an early adopter and have seen two companies migrate to it in the last five years. Of course, running mail wit…

Some MUAs are pretty slow. It isn't hard to do better than a few of the MUAs I've used, and webmail often is better just because more people use them so more optimization has gone into them. I think this is the main one.

Webmail often has a really fast pipe to the email storage, which means it can get the headers faster and then extract only the parts it needs. Webmail is not required to use IMAP (though many do) an optimized protocol can offer advantages.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

#38

Why would you use FastMail when hosting your own mail server has a much higher privacy level? It seems no better than gmail in this respect.

Security, Spam Filtering, Better web interface, native apps, two-factor auth, DR, etc.

These are just some of the reasons.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

#39

Why would you use FastMail when hosting your own mail server has a much higher privacy level? It seems no better than gmail in this respect.

Gmail scans your email to show you ads. That's how Google makes money from it. Fastmail doesn't show ads, you pay them money to do your email. Moving email off Google could also be a move towards not putting all your eggs in one basket. I think there's a valid incentive to move away from Gmail.

That, and all the complications that running your own email server brings with it. If you read the article, the author explains it very well.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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post #14

"The Five Eyes, often abbreviated as FVEY, are an intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. These countries are bound by the multilateral UKUSA Agreement, a treaty for joint cooperation in signals intelligence." Austrlia is spying on your email on Fastmail the same way NSA is reading your gmail.

This is both true and important, but I think the author was aware of it, and is willing to sacrifice that privacy for convenience (note how they moved from a private mail server to Gmail, then FastMail).
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