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Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by philh »

kalleboo wrote: post #112
Svenskunganka wrote: post #65

Torrents and copyright infringement is related, we can all agree on that. But I believe that pirating is related to a very fuzzy legal system regarding this topic and unfair treatment by the major movie studios & music labels. I'll try to explain as good as I can. Being a european citizen, it is very frustrating knowing that pirating is illegal even though being a Netflix, HBO & Spotify customer. Pirating is a much b…

> I don't understand why the EU isn't doing anything about it The problem is that right now the EU isn't one copyright market - each EU country is a separate market, with a tonne of legacy exclusive distribution deals in place. If the EU was a single market, it would be the same size or bigger than the US market and would probably get better attention. The EU is working on it, it just moves at the speed of bureaucrac…

The EU also has more languages than the US. Even if it was legally a single market, that wouldn't make it a single market culturally.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by provoc »

hueving wrote: post #41
provoc wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your excuse for this theft of service is that you simply don't want to pay? It's lucky for you that prosecuting torrent users is so rare, as I really can't see that one holding up in court. If you can't afford it, don't steal it. It's as simple as that.

Theft is a generous term for something that isn't rivalrous.

If you examine both its common and legal connotations, theft isn't so narrowly defined as to preclude nonrivalrous goods.

This really is a common misconception of the word, often played up by the "copyright infringement is not theft" crowd to attempt to deny the consequences of their actions.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by Nullabillity »

philh wrote: post #171
kalleboo wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand why the EU isn't doing anything about it The problem is that right now the EU isn't one copyright market - each EU country is a separate market, with a tonne of legacy exclusive distribution deals in place. If the EU was a single market, it would be the same size or bigger than the US market and would probably get better attention. The EU is working on it, it just moves at the speed of bureaucrac…

The EU also has more languages than the US. Even if it was legally a single market, that wouldn't make it a single market culturally.

Yes, but that doesn't prevent you from just publishing it in english, initially at least.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by AnAfrican »

Svenskunganka wrote: post #65

Torrents and copyright infringement is related, we can all agree on that. But I believe that pirating is related to a very fuzzy legal system regarding this topic and unfair treatment by the major movie studios & music labels. I'll try to explain as good as I can. Being a european citizen, it is very frustrating knowing that pirating is illegal even though being a Netflix, HBO & Spotify customer. Pirating is a much b…

You are not treated differently as a customer.

The explanation is that distribution rights are sold by territory because most old school distribution channels are by territory. And content is usally financed by the sale of rights (usually before anyone has seen anything).

But streaming is becoming more and more important and those deals will be reviewed.

To give you an example, when Netflix opened in my country, House of Cards wasn't in the catalogue. That's a show produced by Netflix. But that was because Canal + Afrique held the rights. A few months ago, it was added. Most likely because the contract expired or because they renegociated.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by Nullabillity »

lma21 wrote: post #164
lagadu wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No because what we pay in tax we get back in other forms. The US citizen will have to pay for college (instead of being paid to attend), healthcare, court costs, retirement pension, unemployment, etc. Don't count the taxes as part of what you're getting back, it's very different and beyond the scope of this article :)

In which EU country you get paid to go to college?

At the very least, Sweden[1] and Denmark[2] have systems that pad out your student loans with government grants that apply to (almost) everyone.

[1]: http://www.csn.se/en/2.1034/2.1036/2.1037/2.1038 [2]: http://www.su.dk/english/

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by petra »

sktrdie wrote: post #94

Please have a look at this pull request I submitted some time ago to Bittorrent.org: https://github.com/bittorrent/bittorrent.org/pull/35 It's about updating torrents via DHT mutable items. Meaning that torrent sites could share their public key and simply seed an .rss file containing their indexed torrents (a mapping of infohash -> descriptions). When they want to share new torrents, they simply update their torrent…

Another alternative is tribler.com an open-source bittorent client, that supports anonymity and P2P search, and it's written in python.

I wonder what it would take to transfer a large index from KAT or torrentz to it, and start popularizing it.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by Chris2048 »

hueving wrote: post #42
funkyy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sharing, not stealing. It must be comfortable to judge people from comfort of a couch in 1st world country, right? What about point in constitution of many countries about free access to culture? Music stars make most of their money out of concerts anyways, and selling music is actual way to make money by huge labels. But you surely knew that only 10% of each CD goes to actual performers. And tbf - the only reason I…

A constitution cannot grant you rights over things in another country. I am granted freedom of speech in the US but that doesn't permit me to paint crude depictions of 'the prophet' Muhammad in the UAE.

Interesting example, some would argue that you aren't free to paint depictions of Muhammad in the US either.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by slig »

ceeK wrote: post #75
justrossthings wrote: post #69

>TFW your children won't experience having access to all the software, music, and other content they could ever want just by knowing how to use a computer better than most people Feels bad man. Having access to a cracked version of Photoshop at 13 years old changed my life.

Same here. I wonder whether this experience with the free cracked version helped make Photoshop any more popular. If it was only used in the legal sense, costing hundreds, would it be so popular?

I remember reading about that their copy protection was very very simple, making it trivial to write a crack. And that it was a feature, not a bug.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by funkyy »

hueving wrote: post #42
funkyy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sharing, not stealing. It must be comfortable to judge people from comfort of a couch in 1st world country, right? What about point in constitution of many countries about free access to culture? Music stars make most of their money out of concerts anyways, and selling music is actual way to make money by huge labels. But you surely knew that only 10% of each CD goes to actual performers. And tbf - the only reason I…

A constitution cannot grant you rights over things in another country. I am granted freedom of speech in the US but that doesn't permit me to paint crude depictions of 'the prophet' Muhammad in the UAE.

Yeah, you need to obey your jurisdiction. I am not in US and my home country guarantees free access to culture. Thats enough for me to actually be OK with torrents. Dont get me wrong, I pay for premium DI.fm when needed and go to cinemas, but the problem here is lack of resources that paid options provide you. I am forced to either not watch it/listen to it, or to use torrents. As simple as that. And because of constitution - if there is no alternative to torrent, I feel it is OK to use it.
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