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Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by hueving »

provoc wrote: post #37
pipeline_tux wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Torrents are filling the gap where the traditional media companies are still failing. Here in NZ there are 7 different streaming services that I can immediately think of, each with exclusive rights to some content. I'm not paying $80 a month to sign up to each so I can watch their popular "exclusive" show they own the rights to. If the rights-holders made their content accessible and at a reasonable price to consumer…

So your excuse for this theft of service is that you simply don't want to pay? It's lucky for you that prosecuting torrent users is so rare, as I really can't see that one holding up in court. If you can't afford it, don't steal it. It's as simple as that.

Theft is a generous term for something that isn't rivalrous.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by hueving »

funkyy wrote: post #32
provoc wrote: post #22

Good. Maybe this will deter people from stealing music, films and software. It's a disgrace that so many work so hard on their craft, only to have the fruits of their efforts ripped off by the immoral. I hope the authorities shut all these torrent search engines down, and prosecute the owners to the full extent of the law.

Sharing, not stealing. It must be comfortable to judge people from comfort of a couch in 1st world country, right? What about point in constitution of many countries about free access to culture? Music stars make most of their money out of concerts anyways, and selling music is actual way to make money by huge labels. But you surely knew that only 10% of each CD goes to actual performers. And tbf - the only reason I…

A constitution cannot grant you rights over things in another country. I am granted freedom of speech in the US but that doesn't permit me to paint crude depictions of 'the prophet' Muhammad in the UAE.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by thinkloop »

dyml wrote: post #19

What would it take to build a secure & resilient torrent site? I'm guessing fully decentralised and I've seen mentions of * ipfs ( https://ipfs.io/ ) * zeronet ( https://zeronet.io/ * Riffle (anonymous communication) Couldn't we leverage bits of the blockchain technology? Since it's a fully distributed shared database where writers don't trust each other and no middleman is trusted either? (edit:formatting)

There are 3 other issues: hosting the UI, DNS, and monetization.

You can get away with hosting a client-heavy JavaScript interface on ipfs as well, but the URL will be ugly making you reliant on Google not dropping you (central point of failure).

And then there is incentive - even if you manage to anonymously take Bitcoin for ads or what have you, someone will eventually take all the work and strip them. The whole thing will have to be a labor of love. Any lovers out there?

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by Tharkun »

hueving wrote: post #38
JanneVee wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much like gun manufacturers and bullet makers should be charged with facilitating murder.

Intent matters. The vast majority of people that buy a gun do not murder people. The vast majority of people that download iron_man.torrent only intend to do one thing with it.

If intent matters, then guns are doubly problematic. They are specifically designed to kill people. They have no other use or purpose.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by anexprogrammer »

dineshp2 wrote: post #28

The reason piracy is so popular is because it is free and because it's incredibly convenient, in that order. The convenience factor is basically, if you want some content (movie, game) it's a simple search and download away (streaming torrents seem to be gaining traction). No legal alternative offers this level of convenience. I suspect piracy will become harder for the average user due to three letter agencies makin…

It's much, much more than that. It's the only way to get an acceptable product.

I have ALSO pirated everything I ever bought until very recently.

DVDs included region forcing, and forced, unskippable adverts and copyright notices. Netflix, .mkvs and .mp4s just have the programme and titles.

Usually someone, somewhere, has put effort into making a good quality rip saving me the time doing so, along with synchronised and corrected subtitles.

For games, the major studios still feel annoying and restrictive copy protection is the way to go. I don't want a £30 game that requires me juggling collections of plastic disks, or an always on net connection to a licensing server they may turn off in a year or two anyway. So the noCD, no licensing server release is a necessary download for me. I tend to mostly buy GOG and independent studios putting out DRM free things these days. EU IV being about the only exception I can think of in the last 2 years.

I'm not a fan of being data mined on how often and how far I read ebooks, listen to audiobooks. So first thing on buying a new ebook from Amazon is rip the protection to read it on my non-amazon reader. First thing to do with an audible book is convert to mp3. If either of those became unfeasible or impossible I would stop buying.

Finally for music, we've had attempts with copy protections and Sony rootkits, but mostly my music collection is complete and they gave up on silly DRM attempts. I only need to rip new stuff that's not available in FLAC.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by djhworld »

dineshp2 wrote: post #28

The reason piracy is so popular is because it is free and because it's incredibly convenient, in that order. The convenience factor is basically, if you want some content (movie, game) it's a simple search and download away (streaming torrents seem to be gaining traction). No legal alternative offers this level of convenience. I suspect piracy will become harder for the average user due to three letter agencies makin…

I'd say the opposite with regards to convenience, but maybe I've been away from the scene for a few years now

Nowadays it seems more of a hassle to pirate content, especially here in the UK with torrent sites getting blocked by ISPs (necessitating a need for VPNs or proxy services) along with having to constantly find new sources for torrents as authorities crack down on sites like KickAssTorrents.

I find it easier to just subscribe to Netflix and Spotify, but maybe I have more disposable income now that it doesn't bother me.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by celticninja »

spriggan3 wrote: post #36
celticninja wrote: post #24

oh look a troll, using a brand new account too, what a great way to add to the conversation.

> oh look a troll, using a brand new account too, what a great way to add to the conversation. Calm down, we're not on reddit. Having a different opinion doesn't make one a troll.

I agree, and I have no problem with people having different opinions and stating them. However it is a brand new account and the handle is "provoc“ so I think I am pretty safe in my assertion that this account was created to troll.

I bet it is not active this time next month.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by [deleted] »

spriggan3 wrote: post #36
celticninja wrote: post #24

oh look a troll, using a brand new account too, what a great way to add to the conversation.

> oh look a troll, using a brand new account too, what a great way to add to the conversation. Calm down, we're not on reddit. Having a different opinion doesn't make one a troll.

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Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by kyriakos »

so if you are running a torrent aggregation service its illegal.. but if you are running a torrent aggregation service along with a regular web search service it becomes legal? maybe there is an opportunity for pirates here...

looking at google (and any other web search engine)

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