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Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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Toothpicks work just as well for me.

+1 but also a modern twist: intradental brushes. They're a piece of wire with a handle, coated with bits to pull plaque off teeth. You use them exactly like a toothpick but they have a nice big grip and you can get 90 degree versions with long handles for your back teeth. A pack will easily last a year. Cannot be bothered flossing (and I salivate a lot which makes it harder) but intradental brushes are now part of my…

How long does one last? Do you use one for a week, month or just whenever you change your toothbrush?

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My father in law is a dentist in Germany and he never recommended flossing. In fact flossing is not common in Germany and we don't hear that Germans have very bad teeth compared to Americans. So although dentists could notice if you have good dental hygiene I'm not sure they can spot easily if you floss or not. It might just mean that in US good dental hygiene means that you floss, but converse might not be true.

> My father in law is a dentist in Germany and he never recommended flossing. In fact flossing is not common in Germany and we don't hear that Germans have very bad teeth compared to Americans. It's all the sauerkraut. It acts as a natural floss.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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post #97
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My father in law is a dentist in Germany and he never recommended flossing. In fact flossing is not common in Germany and we don't hear that Germans have very bad teeth compared to Americans. So although dentists could notice if you have good dental hygiene I'm not sure they can spot easily if you floss or not. It might just mean that in US good dental hygiene means that you floss, but converse might not be true.

> My father in law is a dentist in Germany and he never recommended flossing. In fact flossing is not common in Germany and we don't hear that Germans have very bad teeth compared to Americans. It's all the sauerkraut. It acts as a natural floss.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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Isn't it about time we got rid of the ridiculous "if we haven't researched it, we know nothing about it" fallacy? Research is strong evidence that points towards something. Lack of research doesn't mean complete lack of a-priori knowledge . If something is obviously good for you, then that's probably a good start for recommending it.

Your argument is a slippery slope for the acceptance of every kind of pseudoscience. How do we know something is 'obviously' good for you without research? NOTHING Is so cut and dry that you can make that statement. For example: organic food. Obviously, must be amazing for you. Got two great buzzwords in it: organic and food. Therefore, amazing for you. Does the research bear this out? Similarly, homeopathy, reiki, p…

Devil's advocate: slippery slopes are only slippery if they slip both ways.

So I could argue that even research results aren't sufficient proof for efficacy. For example, why should a "significant result" be a better argument than personal experience?

Meh, 2/10. Not that slippery.

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's missing the point. And, as an aside, so are all the comments in this thread that are essentially "flossing works for me, so I'm going to keep doing it." The point of this article is not that people should stop flossing, or that it's bad for some reason. The point is that an entire industry of medical professionals were saying "floss because it reduces you risk of tooth decay and gum disease," when in f…

Dentists and dental hygienists look into tens of thousands of mouths over the courses of their careers. It's not difficult for them to see that patients who floss have far healthier smiles, in general. That said, they should get more studies done. You could also be a bad flosser, so even the study could be flawed.

Do people who floss regularly require fewer hygienist visits than who don't?

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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Lots of USA specific views in here. How about:

Most patients, even if they bother to get the minty-waxed out the box, are exceptionally heavy-handed and macerate their gums like they’ve been chewing on bare vacuum cleaner flex. Even in controlled studies, after instruction, the patients taking part couldn’t floss properly. I know of no dentist who flosses. Not one.

UK dentist, writing in the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/03/dentis...

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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On a side note, most cavities/caries which get filled can be remineralized. That's particularly unfortunate because fillings need to be redone after two years on average, destroying even more of the natural tooth: http://www.wsj.com/articles/simple-dental-treatments-may-rev...

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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This is the same bullshit around how fat and salt was really bad and no one could be bother changing that rule, because it might/is technically correct.

Except everyone just ate sugar in mass quantities and we never moved forward (and probably moved backwards)

We not only need to know if it works, we need studies to know how well so we can compare it to other methods people actually will implement.

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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For me the water flossers (oral jet irrigators) are the best solution yet. I was never able to floss correctly with a wire, especially between the teeth in the back row but then my dentist told me about "the jet thing from amazon" and I wish I had it a lot earlier because it's so easy to use and quite efficient. (Just don't jet your gums with the highest power; it can hurt and make your gums bleed)

I have one of those and it made big difference with my gums. It washes away pieces of food that often don't get removed by brushing. My dentist noticed a difference after a year even though I didn't tell him that I use an irrigator.

Re: Federal health expert drop flossing from health guidelines

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post #68

Isn't it about time we got rid of the ridiculous "if we haven't researched it, we know nothing about it" fallacy? Research is strong evidence that points towards something. Lack of research doesn't mean complete lack of a-priori knowledge . If something is obviously good for you, then that's probably a good start for recommending it.

I think that's missing the point. And, as an aside, so are all the comments in this thread that are essentially "flossing works for me, so I'm going to keep doing it." The point of this article is not that people should stop flossing, or that it's bad for some reason. The point is that an entire industry of medical professionals were saying "floss because it reduces you risk of tooth decay and gum disease," when in f…

This times 100, because when I asked my dentist if a water pick was superior or inferior to flossing, he didn't have a n answer.

Brushing and flossing are basic tenents of dentistry, and they haven't done the science?

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