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Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

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Post by tigershark »

opiatethrowaway wrote: post #128
tigershark wrote: post #113

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This is probably the biggest lie that I ever heard in my life. Go on and take your opiates if makes you happy, but don't try to deny reality. Alcohol is assumed every day by billions people in the world and it has absolutely no harmful effects if taken moderately. Actually there are several studies about the healthy effect of one glass of wine a day. A junkie instead cannot take his sh.t with moderation and will suff…

You're completely off base here. Many times more people die of alcohol than heroin and prescription analogs put together. Also, there are tons of people who use opiates responsibly and in moderation--I'm one of them. Finally, lose the anger, it's a symptom of alcoholism ;)

No one ever died for drinking a glass of wine a day. Heroin users can't use it moderately by definition. Enjoy your addiction, but don't try to lie to the world saying that opiates are innocuous just to feel better with your conscience. ;)

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

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Post by ryanlol »

tigershark wrote: post #131
opiatethrowaway wrote: post #128

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You're completely off base here. Many times more people die of alcohol than heroin and prescription analogs put together. Also, there are tons of people who use opiates responsibly and in moderation--I'm one of them. Finally, lose the anger, it's a symptom of alcoholism ;)

No one ever died for drinking a glass of wine a day. Heroin users can't use it moderately by definition. Enjoy your addiction, but don't try to lie to the world saying that opiates are innocuous just to feel better with your conscience. ;)

>Heroin users can't use it moderately by definition.

I don't see why you think that taking one hit of heroin each day would be any harder than drinking a glass of wine a day. Perhaps the heroin is more enjoyable, but given such small consumption it won't inherently be any more addicting than alcohol.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

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Post by tigershark »

ryanlol wrote: post #132
tigershark wrote: post #131

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No one ever died for drinking a glass of wine a day. Heroin users can't use it moderately by definition. Enjoy your addiction, but don't try to lie to the world saying that opiates are innocuous just to feel better with your conscience. ;)

>Heroin users can't use it moderately by definition. I don't see why you think that taking one hit of heroin each day would be any harder than drinking a glass of wine a day. Perhaps the heroin is more enjoyable, but given such small consumption it won't inherently be any more addicting than alcohol.

Ah ok, you are trolling. it's just a waste of my time.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

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Post by alasdair_ »

My daughter died of a fentanyl overdose one month ago. She was 21.

It was her first time taking it. I assume she thought it was cocaine or something similar and simply took far too much.

If you have children, please teach them about drugs. That means more than "just say no" it means being really, really clear with them that a huge danger is that they get given something that isn't what it is claimed. Sadly, this is especially true if they are young and female and perhaps a little naive.

I expect that my younger children will experiment with drugs even knowing what happened to their sister. I expect their friends will as well.

All I can do now is teach them how quickly their life can end and, perhaps, give them ready access to test kits in the same way that they will have ready access to condoms and std education when the time comes.

Please, if you have a child, talk to them today about fentanyl in particular - most of her friends has never heard of it before she died and had no idea how strong or cheap it was.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

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Post by davidhariri »

alasdair_ wrote: post #134

My daughter died of a fentanyl overdose one month ago. She was 21. It was her first time taking it. I assume she thought it was cocaine or something similar and simply took far too much. If you have children, please teach them about drugs. That means more than "just say no" it means being really, really clear with them that a huge danger is that they get given something that isn't what it is claimed. Sadly, this is e…

That's tragic. I'm so sorry for your loss.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

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Post by jessaustin »

MichaelGG wrote: post #123
jessaustin wrote: post #115

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You're right, of course. The coworker was probably quite young, and the outcomes you describe loomed larger for her than the actual outcome. This sort of thing really ought to be addressed in high school, but unfortunately all we get is, "drugs're bad, mmm-kay?"

If the coworker had drugs on them, the potential outcomes might actually _be_ far worse than the actual outcome here. They'll feel like shit. But you know, in a few years, the emotional pain will have subsided quite a bit. And it wasn't really their fault, directly, totally - it'll get rationalized. Whereas a drug arrest, a criminal history, that could take much more work and time to get over.

Well sure one definitely doesn't call 911 while possessing illegal substances, but it just takes a minute to walk out to one's car/the dumpster/some other place the cops ain't going to search because one called an ambulance for an unconscious coworker. Who would complain, the manager who wasn't present? Actually this train of thought would be pretty ethically indefensible.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

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Post by bobdole1234 »

tigershark wrote: post #114
MichaelGG wrote: post #97

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Legalization would avoid the shitty stuff part of junkies, for the most part. Or at least mitigate it to a huge extent, since costs would go down. Oxycodone, for instance, goes for about 30-100x on the street than at a grocery store. If gas was 50x more expensive, we'd probably see some desperate behaviour for a while.

How can anyone that can't even work because lives his life in a continuous high afford something even if it is cheaper without stealing?

You know a few functional alcoholics right now, and you likely don't even know it.

You also almost certainly know someone addicted to opiates and have no idea.

There's only a small percentage of drug users who lack the ability to regulate enough to prevent a complete destruction of their lives, but those people will generally destroy their lives with anything, be it opiates or beanie baby mania. The rest of humanity can mostly hold their shit together, and you'll have no idea.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

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Post by ryanlol »

tigershark wrote: post #133
ryanlol wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Heroin users can't use it moderately by definition. I don't see why you think that taking one hit of heroin each day would be any harder than drinking a glass of wine a day. Perhaps the heroin is more enjoyable, but given such small consumption it won't inherently be any more addicting than alcohol.

Ah ok, you are trolling. it's just a waste of my time.

Why do you think that I am trolling?

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

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Post by vonklaus »

adrusi wrote: post #110
vonklaus wrote: post #73

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That doesn't make any sense. Having seen a fair amount of shit, I go back and forth. Should heroin be legal? It would certainly lower the price, but it would definitely create more addicts. This isn't a headache, that is theft. Clearly, there is a difference between opportunistically taking a few pills and working your way into someones life to rob them repeatedly. This reflects on the person and while I don't know i…

I can certainly intellectually understand why society has banned this. But don't you see that opiates only make people do these horrible things because they're banned!? Opiates don't turn people into devastatingly manipulative thieves, they turn them into people who will do anything to get opiates. If you changed two things, junkies would be no more likely to engage in destructive behaviors like theft than alcholic o…

I understand this more than most. The solution that fits best with my experience and ideology is probably a combination of a few things. Just to caveat, this is a thought experiment and while a lot has been done, there is so much friction it is absurd.

I would like to see heroin decriminalized with specific designated zones (cities/towns) which fully supply and allow heroin use. If you are caught with heroin outside of a zone you must pay a fine. If you can't pay you are offered rehab or transportation to the administration zone.

Zones provide free narcotics and needles, ect and have adjacent treatment and medical facilities. This experiment has been run and was somewhat successful.

The thought process in my above statement is that broke heroin users can not interact with society. If a user wants to simply do heroin, there can be a designated development/town that allows it. If a user is outside of the zone, they must have the money to pay a fine (stay well) or they need to go to rehab or a place that allows drugs.

That way, normal people can interact and many users can function in society. If they can not they will be supplied with drugs outside of society until they regain financial independence or make the decision to enter treatment.

However, since this is impossible, I do not expect a legit solution to ever be implemented and thus am not sure where I land. So I would support efforts that compromise in a similar way to my above solution, but really not worth thinking much about as the gov (in US) has not even legally recognized recreational marijuana.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

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Post by tigershark »

aianus wrote: post #120
tigershark wrote: post #116

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Why is he so unhappy? Reading this thread it would seem that opiates are innocuous, a glass of wine is more dangerous apparently. Seriously, I can't understand how people can say such things actively encouraging people to take opioids because they have "less side effects than alcohol".

Nobody is telling people to go out and try opiates. We'd just rather people who are already addicted be able to get a cheap, safe fix than /go broke/go to jail/OD on sketchy drugs.

There are people in this thread explicitly saying that getting high with heroine once a day is not different than drinking a glass of wine a day. If this is not an opiates eulogy then I don't know what is it. For me should be even illegal to incentivise opiates usage so irresponsibly.
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