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Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

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post #86

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Fair enough, but as I mentioned, I'm addressing your moralizing tone about it, not your belief.

> I'm addressing your moralizing tone about it, not your belief. My response to your post was my first post in this thread, so I don't think you are addressing my anything.

Sure, confused you with OP

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

#112
post #94

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So the predicate "wasn't allowed" is even more accurate. She was prohibited, legally, to get properly labelled medication. Again, would you have the same attitude if her options for depression were "steal SSRIs from a pharma company" or "buy from someone that gets unlabeled, unmonitored shit from China, resold by whoever?"

Forgive me if this is wrong, but are you really arguing for the over-the-counter sale of chemically addicting drugs, premised on the actions of junkies? Won't that just create more junkies? Alcohol is chemically addictive, sold over the counter, and is currently the fourth leading cause of preventable death in the U.S.

Yes! Excellent point. Let's prohibit people from buying alcohol.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

#113
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgive me if this is wrong, but are you really arguing for the over-the-counter sale of chemically addicting drugs, premised on the actions of junkies? Won't that just create more junkies? Alcohol is chemically addictive, sold over the counter, and is currently the fourth leading cause of preventable death in the U.S.

Opiates are not anywhere nearly as harmful as alcohol. Apart from overdosing, there's very little side effect, generally. (Some people don't tolerate them well.) The health issues that junkies have is usually due to poor hygiene - many places don't even let them buy needles! The legal aspects cause all of this. They raise prices, make supply hard, encourage fraud, discourage help, increase the terrible social stigma.…

This is probably the biggest lie that I ever heard in my life. Go on and take your opiates if makes you happy, but don't try to deny reality. Alcohol is assumed every day by billions people in the world and it has absolutely no harmful effects if taken moderately. Actually there are several studies about the healthy effect of one glass of wine a day. A junkie instead cannot take his sh.t with moderation and will suffer plenty of ill effects.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

#114

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There are better times to argue for legalization. You're trying too hard to make a point of this. Junkies sometimes do shitty stuff.

Legalization would avoid the shitty stuff part of junkies, for the most part. Or at least mitigate it to a huge extent, since costs would go down. Oxycodone, for instance, goes for about 30-100x on the street than at a grocery store. If gas was 50x more expensive, we'd probably see some desperate behaviour for a while.

How can anyone that can't even work because lives his life in a continuous high afford something even if it is cheaper without stealing?

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

#115

Found by a coworker within two minutes of passing out, but no one called an ambulance for thirty minutes. We ought to care more about the people around us.

Having been in non-drug, legal, harm situations, there's a huge pressure not to involve authorities. Embarrassment and hassle, costs (perhaps not in Canada) are bad enough. Legal and social repercussions due to officially having a problem on your record can really damage. (Applies to people seeking mental health help, too!) Add in potential to be arrested and it's not hard to see why someone might delay or even let s…

You're right, of course. The coworker was probably quite young, and the outcomes you describe loomed larger for her than the actual outcome. This sort of thing really ought to be addressed in high school, but unfortunately all we get is, "drugs're bad, mmm-kay?"

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

#116
post #106

I talked to a friend of mine today who has a serious opiate addiction. It is heartbreaking. He is on the verge of losing what he has left to lose, but I don't know if there is anything to do. He refuses to seek treatment. I think his options are running out. I've had my problems in life, specifically with mental illness and benzo addiction, but I'm thankful that I never went the opiate route.

Why is he so unhappy? Reading this thread it would seem that opiates are innocuous, a glass of wine is more dangerous apparently. Seriously, I can't understand how people can say such things actively encouraging people to take opioids because they have "less side effects than alcohol".

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opiates are not anywhere nearly as harmful as alcohol. Apart from overdosing, there's very little side effect, generally. (Some people don't tolerate them well.) The health issues that junkies have is usually due to poor hygiene - many places don't even let them buy needles! The legal aspects cause all of this. They raise prices, make supply hard, encourage fraud, discourage help, increase the terrible social stigma.…

This is probably the biggest lie that I ever heard in my life. Go on and take your opiates if makes you happy, but don't try to deny reality. Alcohol is assumed every day by billions people in the world and it has absolutely no harmful effects if taken moderately. Actually there are several studies about the healthy effect of one glass of wine a day. A junkie instead cannot take his sh.t with moderation and will suff…

Opiates are consumed every day by tens of millions of people in the world and they have absolutely no harmful effects if taken according to prescription.

That opiates when used in proper doses are extremely safe from a physical point of view is an indisputable fact.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably the biggest lie that I ever heard in my life. Go on and take your opiates if makes you happy, but don't try to deny reality. Alcohol is assumed every day by billions people in the world and it has absolutely no harmful effects if taken moderately. Actually there are several studies about the healthy effect of one glass of wine a day. A junkie instead cannot take his sh.t with moderation and will suff…

Opiates are consumed every day by tens of millions of people in the world and they have absolutely no harmful effects if taken according to prescription. That opiates when used in proper doses are extremely safe from a physical point of view is an indisputable fact.

For pain relief, not for getting high.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

#119
post #51

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Your friend and the others who died that weekend didn't "lose the battle". They were poisoned, murdered by an unscrupulous and/or clueless dealer.

> They were poisoned, murdered by an unscrupulous and/or clueless dealer. And a government that prioritizes moralizing over helping.

Did that form in a vacuum? Society promoted that behavior and it translated into government.

Re: Fentanyl, a stealth killer

#120
post #106

I talked to a friend of mine today who has a serious opiate addiction. It is heartbreaking. He is on the verge of losing what he has left to lose, but I don't know if there is anything to do. He refuses to seek treatment. I think his options are running out. I've had my problems in life, specifically with mental illness and benzo addiction, but I'm thankful that I never went the opiate route.

Why is he so unhappy? Reading this thread it would seem that opiates are innocuous, a glass of wine is more dangerous apparently. Seriously, I can't understand how people can say such things actively encouraging people to take opioids because they have "less side effects than alcohol".

Nobody is telling people to go out and try opiates. We'd just rather people who are already addicted be able to get a cheap, safe fix than /go broke/go to jail/OD on sketchy drugs.
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