I wonder if there was a way to resolve this standoff without her death. I.e. letting her shoot all the shotgun shells she has, or just waiting until she gets tired and slips up, gets hungry, etc. Yeah, it requires a lot of patience but hey, you can save a human life. I don't think she would have harmed her kid so waiting in cover seems like a relatively safe thing to do?
Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff
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#12Tragic and unfortunate, all around. I wonder what FB's policy on this will be going forward. In many ways, these livestreams are a public good and provide transparency and additional accountability in these situations. If people elect to stream them, it seems wrong to shut it down. On the other hand, perhaps there is a public good in not showing an ongoing live police operation? I think I'd lean toward not agreeing t…
This was a hostage situation. Was the 5 year old boy, not a hostage to his crazed, gun-wielding mother in this standoff?
I love Monday morning quarterbacks.
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#13 I think this is a very unfortunate situation, but the thought of Facebook disabling her account at the behest of the police, that doesn't feel right. We seen that we cannot always trust the police perspective in shootings, so instead of disabling the account, perhaps Facebook should have instead continue to record the feed but disable the comments.
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#14This seems entirely appropriate. It would be consistent with the practice of news outlets sometimes not showing an ongoing police operation live.
Agreed - why would social media be treated any differently than disconnecting phone lines or mobile phones during standoffs and negotiations?
Perhaps because it is against the law for local authorities to shut down telecommunications?
https://www.publicknowledge.org/news-blog/blogs/why-shutting...
"More than seventy years ago, Congress made a choice to take that option away from local authorities. It conferred jurisdiction on the FCC and the state Public Utility Commissions to provide oversight, and gave everyone a federally protected right to access the phone network. That right applies to all phone networks, whether wireline or wireless."
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#15>“She was intelligent, strong, determined, beautiful. She was a dedicated mother, an awesome friend. She was determined to enlighten people. There’s not enough accolades I can give her,” A mother determined to endanger the life of her son in a firefight with police. Though it seems it may not have been her fault that she turned out that way. Quite sad.
Right, she sued over lead in water and so far seems to be a very accurate assessment of her deteriorating mental health by the time of encounter.
If some police departments can deliver bombs via drones, maybe warrants can be too!
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#16Tragic and unfortunate, all around. I wonder what FB's policy on this will be going forward. In many ways, these livestreams are a public good and provide transparency and additional accountability in these situations. If people elect to stream them, it seems wrong to shut it down. On the other hand, perhaps there is a public good in not showing an ongoing live police operation? I think I'd lean toward not agreeing t…
This was a hostage situation. Was the 5 year old boy, not a hostage to his crazed, gun-wielding mother in this standoff? I love Monday morning quarterbacks.
>I love Monday morning quarterbacks.
honest question, what does this mean?
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#17I wonder if there was a way to resolve this standoff without her death. I.e. letting her shoot all the shotgun shells she has, or just waiting until she gets tired and slips up, gets hungry, etc. Yeah, it requires a lot of patience but hey, you can save a human life. I don't think she would have harmed her kid so waiting in cover seems like a relatively safe thing to do?
Absolutely right. They have all day and night she needs food and sleep.
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#18The ACLU has an app that can be used to record police encounters. Fortunately, the ACLU won't be shutting it off at the police request.
Re: Police had woman’s Facebook deactivated during standoff
#19Tragic and unfortunate, all around. I wonder what FB's policy on this will be going forward. In many ways, these livestreams are a public good and provide transparency and additional accountability in these situations. If people elect to stream them, it seems wrong to shut it down. On the other hand, perhaps there is a public good in not showing an ongoing live police operation? I think I'd lean toward not agreeing t…
This was a hostage situation. Was the 5 year old boy, not a hostage to his crazed, gun-wielding mother in this standoff? I love Monday morning quarterbacks.
The police could have left her alone and come back later. They were in her house, and she was only threatening to harm the officers, not her child.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was a hostage situation. Was the 5 year old boy, not a hostage to his crazed, gun-wielding mother in this standoff? I love Monday morning quarterbacks.
>I love Monday morning quarterbacks. honest question, what does this mean?
People who watch a football game Sunday night and then talk shit at work on Monday about all the things they would have done differently if they were coach/quarterback/etc.