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Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way is importing workers "defraying the issue"? Also, why would the population of the US decline? White people aren't having babies like they used to, but other groups don't show the same trend. It's the reason why the US is on track to become a majority-minority country long before the original estimated 2050. California's already there. People are still clamorimg to get into the US, and fighting tooth and n…

Japan, by some measures, is over populated. But regardless. World population is stabilizing, at least in mature economies. The US would be in a pop decline, if not for immigrants. If we only count US born newborns, the US pop is in decline. Japan facing this issue we will all face is good for them and for us as their solutions will pave the way for other countries which will follow (much of western Europe and east As…

>The US would be in a pop decline, if not for immigrants.

But that's exactly my question. Why is importing workers "defraying the issue" when that same tactic works for the US?

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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Is there any reason to be optimistic about our ability to deal with climate change? I have to admit that this topic depresses me deeply, as the United States' tepid response does not match the magnitude of the problem. It is shockingly easy to imagine scenarios resulting in the collapse of civilization (agricultural collapse places significant pressure on a few areas which leads to a domino effect of instability triggering nuclear war).

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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post #11

We are in for a shtt-storm. But go over to Bloomberg news, and they're wondering why the Japanese won't make the tough cultural sacrifices needed to increase immigration, to stave off stagnant GDP caused by declining population and the accompanying demographics. (I get the workers to non-workers issues in play. Even with that, I believe it is telling, which solutions are put forth. Increase immigration. Not, decrease…

I agree climate change has to be taken seriously and we need to study ways to mitigate the effects of our GHG output. No doubt. On the Japan question. No, I think and hope they continue to be uniquely stubborn. Why? Because we are all going to be there (we would have been there if we'd be as strict as Latin American countries are about their own immigration). Japan can lead the way for us and for others on how to dea…

> Why? Because we are all going to be there (we would have been there if we'd be as strict as Latin American countries are about their own immigration). Japan can lead the way for us and for others on how to deal with this issue (population decline).

Why isn't immigration a valid solution to population decline? This seems like a classic paean to the old white country to me.

Immigration in Latin America is actually not very restrictive. Organized crime (from anywhere in the world) can come and go as it pleases in the region. Whatever you may have read on right-wing media, illegal immigration is rampant in Latin America.

The irony of some Americans complaining about Latinos now is rich. You didn't care much about them when the US govt was promoting dictators and doing everything it could to undermine the democratic will in the region (predominantly left wing in response to the incredible levels of legacy inequality) and why would you? It made many of your companies super rich which in turn provided you with nice, cushy jobs managing your "banana republic" natural resources. The local population though was saddled with no voice and (usually) murderous psychopaths as their "leaders". As a result they migrated in droves to the US, the richest nation on earth that also happened to be the closest. And now you complain. It would be funny if it wasn't racist too.

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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post #36

The "fun" starts when the feedback loops really start going https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate Depending on how fast we'll see arable land being lost, food supply for 9 billion people in 2040 could be quite problematic

We need to create a market for halophyte plants that can be grown using salt water in dessert/saline conditions. It requires extensive marketing investment and skill in order to create a market at each level of biomass (biofuel, animal feed, people food, niche health products, pharma).

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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I have trouble interpreting stories like these as anything other than scare tactics. I'm not a "denier". I'm acknowledging that there's been an increase, generally in the range of 1-2 degrees F. But given an increase of that magnitude, I find it very hard to blame for the kinds of problems being described here. 1F to 2F is well within the normal range of variation, and so if the roadways are suffering from it, it mus…

I wonder, if a road lasted for seventy years, and then became unusable because of changes within ten, one could say that it's not within the "normal" variation anymore? Probably someone has an article that is a lot more exact and involves a lot more statistics...

We don't have a clear picture of normal.

This page has some graphs of ground temps the last 100 years:

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/arctic-zone/detect/land-permafrost....

They are for areas north of the highway, but it shows temps in 1950 higher than they are today. The text also mentions that the ground has cooled slightly in the recent 20 years.

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

#46
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if you've been to Alaska, but a large part of the lowland is swamp that happens to be frozen most of the time. The current roads are basically a pile of gravel on top of that. If the swamp is frozen for less of the time, the gravel moves more. So yes, the road was not engineered with these conditions in mind, but building a road on a swamp is not easy to do, even if engineered correctly. Barely mentioned…

Not even a pile a gravel. A pile of frozen swamp ploughed higher and higher until it quit sinking, then sprinkled with gravel and topped with asphalt The Tok Cutoff is particularly bad these days

Fair enough. That swamp muck is even less stable when wet.

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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We are in for a shtt-storm. But go over to Bloomberg news, and they're wondering why the Japanese won't make the tough cultural sacrifices needed to increase immigration, to stave off stagnant GDP caused by declining population and the accompanying demographics. (I get the workers to non-workers issues in play. Even with that, I believe it is telling, which solutions are put forth. Increase immigration. Not, decrease…

The political and corporate establishments don't give a fuck about us or climate change. We need to stop looking to these selfish demagogues within the Republican and Democratic parties as if they have anything in common with us. These people and their families will be safe and sound even if the planet and environment goes completely to shit. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if many of them would wipe out the majority of life on Earth if their political donors pushed for it.

Be the change you want to see in the world. If you're worried about climate change and you're not vegan, you need to realize you're contributing to one of the largest causes of biodiversity loss and greenhouse gas emissions on the planet. Consider adopting pets or children instead of breeding them into this world. If you're an activist, fight for local political change to bring sound environmental policy to your community and work to expand to surrounding regions. If you're an engineer or scientist, don't forget that you have the key to making this world a better place (and no global warming denier can take that from you). Finally, I believe Tesla sets a good precedent for manifesting these sorts of ambitious ideas within a system of free market capitalism.

You say we are so fucked, but I'm not so quick to agree. I'm not going to say I'm a total optimist, but I think the potential exists, within our lifetime, for weird and exciting technologies that could allow us to solve these problems in ways we could have never imagined. As long as CERN doesn't destroy all life as we know it, I think we're good.

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

#49
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree climate change has to be taken seriously and we need to study ways to mitigate the effects of our GHG output. No doubt. On the Japan question. No, I think and hope they continue to be uniquely stubborn. Why? Because we are all going to be there (we would have been there if we'd be as strict as Latin American countries are about their own immigration). Japan can lead the way for us and for others on how to dea…

> Why? Because we are all going to be there (we would have been there if we'd be as strict as Latin American countries are about their own immigration). Japan can lead the way for us and for others on how to deal with this issue (population decline). Why isn't immigration a valid solution to population decline? This seems like a classic paean to the old white country to me. Immigration in Latin America is actually no…

Try getting a job in Costa Rica or Panama as an illegal. You'll have to get an illegal job.

But anyway, the response is more about Japan. The long term answer is not the importation of workers, but finding a solution to having a viable economy with a declining population and aging population. It's in our interest that they find real solutions to a problem we will all face, rather than stave off the issue a bit with labor imports.

United Fruit != Many companies. They were in a few counties. They had bad influence, but it was one limited industry making a family rich... The main problem wasn't US companies but rather a very backward uneducated population. Those that put effort into education, Chile, Costa Rica, Panama. Uruguey are doing well. Americans on the other hand did not muck around in Mexico as they did Chile or Guatemala, and see where they are with their nationalism. Who is more racist, the Mexican government and how they dont provide resources for their majority mestizos or Americans, I bet Mexicans get a better deal from the US than they do their own gov't, else they'd enjoy what "Mexico es para Mexicanos" has to offer them rather than emigrate to a foreign land apparently full of racists.

Re: Climate Change Is Hell on Alaska's Formerly Frozen Highways

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I decided to drive to the arctic ocean from California in 2014, and so traversed the north half of this highway by RV.

It was a magical, difficult, inspiring and sorrowful experience.

I had never seen a black spruce before (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picea_mariana), but they were enormous, pristine forests of them.

But a lot of them were NOT pristine. For dozens of miles at a time, most all of the trees would be at an odd sideways angle. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunken_trees) The permafrost they relied on for stability was melting.

More than two years later, I suspect that the countless trees I saw leaning steeply to one side are mostly dead.

On the Dalton highway, once past the Brooks range (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Range), there were enormously quantities of heavy rain. I didn't realize, at the time, how unusual that was. It turns out that the Alaskan tundra is typically extremely dry, and while I was up there, more than a years worth of (not very cold) rain fell, turning the road into a morass.

My goal was to put my feet into the arctic ocean, and the only way to do that is to first get to Dead Horse, Alaska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadhorse,_Alaska). The 'town limits' are several miles from the ocean, and it's rigorously patrolled private land in between, controlled by various oil companies.

They typically offer tours, but I arrived a bit too early, so I was thinking about hiking a few miles up the Sag River (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagavanirktok_River). Fortunately, I happened to talk to an oil worker guy at the gas station, and he said I would not likely survive such a hike. Polar bears, he said, had been getting extremely aggressive over the past few years. They were starving.

At that moment, I felt a unique feeling, that few people experience these days. In my four decades living, I've been in a couple of life or death circumstances. But it wasn't quite like that.

The idea that I had nearly found myself in a situation where I might have been hunted by an enormous, hungry animal. A creature who rightly considered me food, and little else. It was a curious feeling!

Fortunately, the tours started the next day, and I took a bus through the vast oil infrastructure, to a specific spot where tourists got to interact with the arctic ocean.

It was cold, gray and sleeting. The ocean almost seemed like a very large lake, with pretty small waves. The ice had melted early that year, again, and so was not visible from shore.

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