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‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Disabling javascript takes it one step further.

Which breaks HTTP DELETE since HTML5 doesn't have support for it..

Seriously, who cares? POST /deleteThing. Done.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Disabling javascript takes it one step further.

Which breaks HTTP DELETE since HTML5 doesn't have support for it..

I dont care about brokenness - allowing arbitrary sites to run javascript / store cookies has begun to feel like running windows without a password in the 90s. When things break, I now stop using the website. In rare cases I add it to a whitelist.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Which breaks HTTP DELETE since HTML5 doesn't have support for it..

How so? has been the standard workaround since like… 2005, if not earlier, and works quite fine without JavaScript (assuming your server-side supports it, and most or all common frameworks do).

That's a workaround only if the server forges the value of '_method' into method via. Middleware

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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I think we need to think two steps ahead here. Say everyone starts using ad blockers and disables flash. Then what? Websites still need to make money. In this case Brave is betting that websites will want to ask for money from their users, but that each website maintaining their own subscription service is not viable. Maybe large websites like WSJ can get people to subscribe, but most probably cannot. Do you want to…

So what's Bitcoin have to do with it? Seems like that's a gimmick. Just provide a normal refillable/subscription account, then pay out the websites. Isn't that what Flattr or some such company already does? Onboarding customers with Bitcoin is a sure way to avoid making money. You could pay out on the backend with BTC but that's a minor detail. With current Bitcoin you can't even do micropayments. So they're almost c…

> With current Bitcoin you can't even do micropayments.

False. https://bitcoinj.github.io/working-with-micropayments

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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It doesn't make much sense to be honest. I've heard about this browser a few times now and I still have no idea how is it supposed to gain traction. The performance/bandwidth benefits of less shitty ads can be had by simply disabling flash and using an ad blocker, and otherwise average people just aren't going to care to switch. As far as I can tell the only reason investors threw $7M at them is because Brendan Eich…

I don't see how there is any honesty in watching ads. You seem to be implying that I, as an Internet user, have agreed to view ads in return for content and that I'm being dishonest by not viewing the ads. I believe the reverse is true. Content providers promise content via hyperlinked text instead they dishonestly deliver content plus ads, something I did not agree to.

I cannot agree to this. Your entire premise rests upon the idea that these people are creating content for you for free. That you are entitled to someone else's work for free.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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And I think a site's ToS could potentially forbid this and thus provide an avenue to sue either you, Brave or both. Aside from that, I don't think the "my device, my choice" adblock arguments go here. I think it's pretty obviously immoral.

You send me some html, css and Javascript from YOUR domain to MY computer. I reserve the right to do what I want with it. YOU have NO right to determine what I do with it after you send it to me. It is pointless to think that rules regarding that can be enforced anyways. To me that is the reality of the situation, its like we are debating if gravity should pull us down or not. Edit: for civility (with lack of sleep a…

I'm sorry, but this argument still hinges on the idea that you are entitled to their content for free. By going to their site, you have agreed to pay them in the form of ads. If those terms are not amenable to you, that's fine, just don't go to their site. Don't pretend you're doing something just and noble by stiffing them on the bill.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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It's not their site, and it's not their content. It is not ok, not in the least.

It's the not the site owner's browser, so it's fine.

The same argument could be used to not pay you the money your employer pays you.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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I think we need to think two steps ahead here. Say everyone starts using ad blockers and disables flash. Then what? Websites still need to make money. In this case Brave is betting that websites will want to ask for money from their users, but that each website maintaining their own subscription service is not viable. Maybe large websites like WSJ can get people to subscribe, but most probably cannot. Do you want to…

So what's Bitcoin have to do with it? Seems like that's a gimmick. Just provide a normal refillable/subscription account, then pay out the websites. Isn't that what Flattr or some such company already does? Onboarding customers with Bitcoin is a sure way to avoid making money. You could pay out on the backend with BTC but that's a minor detail. With current Bitcoin you can't even do micropayments. So they're almost c…

There are a few developments trying to crack down the micropayment Holy grail
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