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‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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It's the not the site owner's browser, so it's fine.

>so it's fine. Not according to copyright law. Just because you have a computer (with a browser) doesn't give you the right to do what you want with someone else's content.

Whoever owns the copyright for the page content doesn't own the copyright for the ads. They are separate works. If I have a copyrighted work that says "please insert an ad from Google here" I am under no obligation to do so.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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I want to support the sites I visit but I really dislike ads. I subscribe to a few but it would be a pain to set up individually for every site. Other people are also worried about being tracked online. This lets you conveniently support sites as you browse, without being tracked.

But why not just make a browser extension like everybody else? Surely adoption would be easier as well.

Most mobile browsers don't support addons.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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It doesn't make much sense to be honest. I've heard about this browser a few times now and I still have no idea how is it supposed to gain traction. The performance/bandwidth benefits of less shitty ads can be had by simply disabling flash and using an ad blocker, and otherwise average people just aren't going to care to switch. As far as I can tell the only reason investors threw $7M at them is because Brendan Eich…

I want to support the sites I visit but I really dislike ads. I subscribe to a few but it would be a pain to set up individually for every site. Other people are also worried about being tracked online. This lets you conveniently support sites as you browse, without being tracked.

I don't doubt that some people would love to have this browser. I just fail to see how you build a billion dollar market around it.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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> On the desktop, Brave provides a 40% to 60% speed increase, and a 2x to 4x speed increase on mobile devices. Mobile users see a direct reduction in both battery and data plan consumption. Brave also protects users with privacy and security features such as HTTPS Everywhere to encrypt data traffic, fingerprinting shields, phishing protection, malware filtering, and script blocking. Maybe this is a good enough argume…

I think we need to think two steps ahead here. Say everyone starts using ad blockers and disables flash. Then what? Websites still need to make money. In this case Brave is betting that websites will want to ask for money from their users, but that each website maintaining their own subscription service is not viable. Maybe large websites like WSJ can get people to subscribe, but most probably cannot. Do you want to…

> Then what?

If one agree with ads as a mean to fund specific sites, then they should just whitelist themselves these sites they think should receive advertisement revenues?

I don't get the idea of bringing in even more 3rd parties in between users and publishers.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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I think we need to think two steps ahead here. Say everyone starts using ad blockers and disables flash. Then what? Websites still need to make money. In this case Brave is betting that websites will want to ask for money from their users, but that each website maintaining their own subscription service is not viable. Maybe large websites like WSJ can get people to subscribe, but most probably cannot. Do you want to…

> Then what? If one agree with ads as a mean to fund specific sites, then they should just whitelist themselves these sites they think should receive advertisement revenues? I don't get the idea of bringing in even more 3rd parties in between users and publishers.

That is too much friction, it creates a non-monetary transaction fee that is too high. People don't want to think hard about whether each article (or even website!) is worth reading before they read it. I think this is why Netflix and Spotify is successful.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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> On the desktop, Brave provides a 40% to 60% speed increase, and a 2x to 4x speed increase on mobile devices. Mobile users see a direct reduction in both battery and data plan consumption. Brave also protects users with privacy and security features such as HTTPS Everywhere to encrypt data traffic, fingerprinting shields, phishing protection, malware filtering, and script blocking. Maybe this is a good enough argume…

I think we need to think two steps ahead here. Say everyone starts using ad blockers and disables flash. Then what? Websites still need to make money. In this case Brave is betting that websites will want to ask for money from their users, but that each website maintaining their own subscription service is not viable. Maybe large websites like WSJ can get people to subscribe, but most probably cannot. Do you want to…

You can't reliably adblock vertically integrated sites like Facebook and Google search who sell and serve their own ads on their own domains. There's a scenario wherein monetization as we know it dies for the majority of long-tail sites and content creators migrate en mass to the large platforms in order to survive. Not a great scenario to think about if you love the decentralized nature of the early web but a plausible scenario nonetheless. There a few startups out there trying to "defeat" adblock by allowing smaller sites to mimic the vertically integrated nature of the largest platforms, and counterintuitively the web might be much better off in the long run if they succeed.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Disabling javascript takes it one step further.

Which breaks HTTP DELETE since HTML5 doesn't have support for it..

How so?

  
    
  
has been the standard workaround since like… 2005, if not earlier, and works quite fine without JavaScript (assuming your server-side supports it, and most or all common frameworks do).

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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I want micropayments for web content to happen. I much prefer that future to the advertising-supported present.

Getting there has a massive chicken-and-egg problem, of course, as you need a viable mass of both users and sites for it to get traction, and you can't get one without the other.

Requiring a new browser (vs. an extension to a normal browser) takes your "viable mass of users" problem and makes it about ten times harder.

You are brave, Brave.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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> On the desktop, Brave provides a 40% to 60% speed increase, and a 2x to 4x speed increase on mobile devices. Mobile users see a direct reduction in both battery and data plan consumption. Brave also protects users with privacy and security features such as HTTPS Everywhere to encrypt data traffic, fingerprinting shields, phishing protection, malware filtering, and script blocking. Maybe this is a good enough argume…

I think we need to think two steps ahead here. Say everyone starts using ad blockers and disables flash. Then what? Websites still need to make money. In this case Brave is betting that websites will want to ask for money from their users, but that each website maintaining their own subscription service is not viable. Maybe large websites like WSJ can get people to subscribe, but most probably cannot. Do you want to…

So what's Bitcoin have to do with it? Seems like that's a gimmick. Just provide a normal refillable/subscription account, then pay out the websites. Isn't that what Flattr or some such company already does? Onboarding customers with Bitcoin is a sure way to avoid making money. You could pay out on the backend with BTC but that's a minor detail.

With current Bitcoin you can't even do micropayments. So they're almost certainly looking at doing some grouping and batch pay system anyways.

Re: ‘Bitcoin Browser’ Brave Raises $4.5M, Readies for 1.0 Launch

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Miniscule amounts of bitcoin really. Is it the end of the world if I lose 50 cents worth of bitcoin? oooh scary.

> Miniscule amounts of bitcoin really Until it isn't. Good luck displacing ads with average wallet balances of "50 cents"

The replaced ads are bought through brave so users don't pay for that. I believe that is the default (would have to check to be sure) Either way most users probably won't really have any balance at all
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