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Elon Musk makes a libertarian argument for carbon tax

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Re: Elon Musk makes a libertarian argument for carbon tax

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume by arguing the personal liberty cost of emissions outweighs the personal liberty gained by tax reduction.

wouldnt the libertarian reaction to emissions be to sue the emitter for the lowered quality of air?

Agreed. That's how I read their platform.

Re: Elon Musk makes a libertarian argument for carbon tax

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Musk leaves out - or maybe he didn't but the reporter did - a couple of things. 1) Most of the subsidy for fossil fuels is actually a subsidy for transportation, which relies mostly on fossil fuels. 2) The production and re-fueling of EVs is primarily a fossil-fuel enabled activity ("EVs just have a longer tailpipe".) Someone really interested in reducing fossil fuel consumption might want instead to subsidize ways o…

The longer tail pipe thing is, whater. Annoying. An E.V. can be charged from any source. Electrons don't discriminate as to what excites them. With the purchase of SolarCity by Tesla, the pipe is now super short. From your room to your garage. Blaiming E.V. power source emisions is like blaming people with second hand smoke cause cancer for their ailment. It's gonna take awhile to regulate the smokers out of our shared space.

Re: Elon Musk makes a libertarian argument for carbon tax

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I would expect him to make any argument he can against fossil fuels. He is heavily invested in solar technology.

Agreed. It's an argument for indirect subsidies to his company on top of the direct subsidies he already receives. Elon Musk is hardly a libertarian. He's just another crony capitalist.

In this case it is not about indirect subsidies to his company, but about removing indirect subsidies from the combustion engine industry. Their "freely available externalities" are polluting the place.

Re: Elon Musk makes a libertarian argument for carbon tax

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume by arguing the personal liberty cost of emissions outweighs the personal liberty gained by tax reduction.

wouldnt the libertarian reaction to emissions be to sue the emitter for the lowered quality of air?

In a perfect court system where the overhead of a lawsuit is 0, sure, that would be an acceptable outcome.

In reality that's not the case, and there is no overarching principle any sect of libertarians hold (as far as I know) that harm can only be addressed via lawsuits. Since the overhead of lawsuits grows ridiculously large when the number of plaintiffs is equal to the population of the country (or even world), the far more practical solution is to just directly apply a Carbon Tax. This is pretty much equivalent to a lawsuit without the overhead of the courts. The biggest difference is while after a lawsuit the wealth is distributed directly, here the wealth is distributed by lowering taxes.

Re: Elon Musk makes a libertarian argument for carbon tax

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I would expect him to make any argument he can against fossil fuels. He is heavily invested in solar technology.

Agreed. It's an argument for indirect subsidies to his company on top of the direct subsidies he already receives. Elon Musk is hardly a libertarian. He's just another crony capitalist.

Obviously you can question his motives, however this is not an indirect subsidy if you consider the emission of carbon dioxide an externality - which I presume he does. Instead it would represent the levelling of the playing field.

Oil companies do get direct subsidies through tax breaks, so no mater what you think is going on here, energy is not pure market. In practise, how often do you see a pure market anyway?

Re: Elon Musk makes a libertarian argument for carbon tax

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. It's an argument for indirect subsidies to his company on top of the direct subsidies he already receives. Elon Musk is hardly a libertarian. He's just another crony capitalist.

In this case it is not about indirect subsidies to his company, but about removing indirect subsidies from the combustion engine industry. Their "freely available externalities" are polluting the place.

Uh huh. Funny how a billionaire has so easily convinced you that adding costs to his competitors (and consumers) is really "removing a subsidy".

Re: Elon Musk makes a libertarian argument for carbon tax

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Given the medieval wealth disparities between the billionaire class and the average person, I find it difficult to trust their pontifications on financial and political matters. They are still people, but people operating on a very different moral compass than my own. Living in wealth and comfort is one thing, but the morality needed to acquire and retain billions in the face of all that could be done with it means we operate under very different rules.
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