By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines • Hacker News Board

Re: By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines

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Post by fryguy » Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 12:31 AM UTC

nxc18 wrote: post #17

The whole concept of electronic voting machines seems ridiculous to me. Not only are they open to attacks at every level, there really isn't a significant benefit to implementing them, beyond possibly saving some trees. The peace of mind in trusting election results seems well worth the hassle of paper. The other big component that I think is missing from the debate over electronic voting is the cost to communities.…

One could argue that a properly implemented method of voting that involves computers in some capacity would decrease the chance of fraud, and allow voters to verify that their vote was counted. It could also allow more votes to be counted because it could immediately tell them their vote was invalid (how many hanging chads in Florida 2000?).

The problem is that we have companies like Diebold make this stuff. Companies that want to make a buck and cover their asses rather than make something secure and good for the people.

Re: By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines

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Post by zghst » Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 1:25 AM UTC

andreiw wrote: post #19

zghst wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As do I. My stomach has been churning in disgust seeing the collusion big money media and politicians. This latest attempt to drum up the Russian boogeyman is incredibly laughable, especially since they laughed it off four years ago. Yes Russia is corrupt, shitty regime, but they can't be culpable for every U.S. politician's failures and dirty deeds (where the inverse happens in the Russia), we've become so much like…

Russia is no more of a "corrupt shitty regime" than your own. So maybe, just maybe, you should focus on constructive criticism of your own country instead of offending others, hmmm? After more than 60 years of anti-Russian propaganda I am not quite surprised that most Americans take every opportunity to jab at or feel somehow morally or otherwise superior to Russia and Russians, yet you would be surprised just how op…

America has better bread and circuses

Re: By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines

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Post by r00fus » Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 2:01 AM UTC

alva wrote: post #18

eternalban wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are practically proactively announcing that they intend to invalidate the election results. Coupled with previously announced NATO's position regarding cyber warfare, we are looking at potential nuclear war. Given that Russians blinked in the missile crisis and Yugoslavia, the establishment appears to think Russians will blink yet again. But China will not. They crossed the Yalu river in the Korean war and they…

Unfortunately I am discovering lots of those in tech VC are complicit with the political power elite. Many are pushing the Russia meme on twitter/FB , despite the flimsy evidence and obvious push as a political strategy. I do not think many of them actually believe what they are saying. Terrifying.

You don't get promoted past a certain point in many large US corporations if you don't support the power structure. Thanks to facebook trackers and and other such browser analytics, it's entirely possible for most HR departments to easily fingerprint you (ostensibly to ensure you're not a threat - e.g. militant in sheep's clothing or other loose cannon).

Re: By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines

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Post by jrs235 » Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 2:16 AM UTC

zghst wrote: post #15

alva wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This Red Scare is getting ridiculous now. One of the best things to come out of this election is how much political strategy has been exposed to the general public, inc. media complicity. I have so little faith in the political parties and media.

As do I. My stomach has been churning in disgust seeing the collusion big money media and politicians. This latest attempt to drum up the Russian boogeyman is incredibly laughable, especially since they laughed it off four years ago. Yes Russia is corrupt, shitty regime, but they can't be culpable for every U.S. politician's failures and dirty deeds (where the inverse happens in the Russia), we've become so much like…

>This latest attempt to drum up the Russian boogeyman is incredibly laughable

I'd argue it's scary. In the interview below with Eric Holder the interviewer says something about Russia being an adversary... rightfully so or not, that is exactly the sound bites that Putin wants and needs inside Russia to keep beating the drum that the U.S. and the world are out to get them. You just "proved" what Putin has been saying inside of Russia. Exactly what we don't need.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/eric-holder-donald-trump-russia-0...

Re: By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines

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Post by memracom » Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 2:32 AM UTC

If voting machines are that insecure, then you should be worried about Chinese hackers, and Arab hackers and even American Republican hackers. Let's be frank, voting machines that are insecure can be exploited by ANYBODY who cares to influence an election and those with the most to gain/lose are members/supporters of the parties whose candidates are standing for election. In other words USA hackers should be your main worry. If you can secure the voting systems against them, then you have a chance at a fair election. Otherwise all bets are off and all the foreign hackers will be battling over who controls the vote.

Re: By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines

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Post by ommunist » Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 6:16 AM UTC

They do not need to, since siloviki silently support Trump anyway.

Re: By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines

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Post by ommunist » Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 6:20 AM UTC

zghst wrote: post #22

andreiw wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is no more of a "corrupt shitty regime" than your own. So maybe, just maybe, you should focus on constructive criticism of your own country instead of offending others, hmmm? After more than 60 years of anti-Russian propaganda I am not quite surprised that most Americans take every opportunity to jab at or feel somehow morally or otherwise superior to Russia and Russians, yet you would be surprised just how op…

America has better bread and circuses

only for those with not expensive tastes

Re: By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines

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Post by xlm1717 » Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 2:10 PM UTC

alva wrote: post #12

zghst wrote: post #4

Part of me doesn't like the whole red scare deal, but also, electronic voting machines should be banned outright. You think that after the OPM scandal that those things have the highest security??

This Red Scare is getting ridiculous now. One of the best things to come out of this election is how much political strategy has been exposed to the general public, inc. media complicity. I have so little faith in the political parties and media.

It is getting ridiculous. They're blaming the Russian boogeyeman for everything now. I think it was telling when Leon Panetta got told "no more war" when he spoke at the DNC. The people aren't interested in fighting Russia, we have nothing to gain over there.