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Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by maratd »

mindslight wrote: post #506
maratd wrote: post #505

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> If a single user is the only one accessing a given name, then that naming system has basically been made irrelevant. No. It's not irrelevant at all. It's how you "execute" that specific software. It serves the same purpose as a filename for a binary on a filesystem. > If a user controls updates to the code and (in theory) audits it, then the primary purpose of the sandbox (executing random third-party specified cod…

> The codebase is easily accessed, saved, and modified by them, if they want to. This is harder than it already being local, or apt-get install turning into apt-get source. Likely, if they find your app interesting they will keep using it directly from your URL and end up at your mercy. And that's the crux of my point - the assumptions of the platform are at odds with software freedom. Not in a way that is incompatib…

> This is harder than it already being local, or apt-get install turning into apt-get source. Likely, if they find your app interesting they will keep using it directly from your URL and end up at your mercy.

You have the same issues with the centralized package distribution system you're pushing? You're reliant on a 3rd party. How many apt-get the source? Saving source on a front-end web app is as simple as clicking "Save As" in the browser and you get the bonus of not having to compile anything. It'll just work.

> Your argument is analogous to a C programmer insisting that if one just follows the rules, C is just as expressive and safe as a higher level language.

Not quite. You're simply not seeing the levels of abstraction present in your ecosystem because you're used to them. Centralized repositories, binaries, toolchains, etc.

> "Web" implies executing code off of a third-party server.

If you follow this logic, your apt-get example is executing binaries off a 3rd party server. You sure you want to go there?

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by CM30 »

skj wrote: post #292
CM30 wrote: post #227

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Twitter's problem isn't quite the same as Reddit's. It's because the site is incredibly inconsistent with its moderation. If you run a community, you need consistency. Members need to know where the boundaries are in regards to how you can act and what is/isn't acceptable. Twitter doesn't really do this well. If you agree with the staff political stances, you can basically get away with anything. If you're popular en…

If you ask us to compare between two examples, you are required to provide two actual examples instead of having us just imagine a scenario that fits your claim.

A bit old now, but this is a perfect example:

https://twitter.com/MikaelThalen/status/757505701711405056

Left is a tweet by Leslie Jones, right is one by Kassie Dillon. The former is 'left wing', the latter is 'right wing'.

Only the latter got suspended.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by dimino »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #510
dimino wrote: post #509

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> that's not what the reddit community thinks is happening, leading to the current social climate on reddit. I... don't care? I guess you're making some kind of assumption that this conversation needs to know what you think the climate of Reddit's community is. I'd ask "Why" but, I care even less about that . Shadow-banning is for spammers, full stop. I don't care if you think other people think otherwise.

>I guess you're making some kind of assumption that this conversation needs to know what you think the climate of Reddit's community is. I'd ask "Why" but, I care even less about that. Why wouldn't I make that assumption? Go read the OP. One of the main points is that shadowbanning, or the belief in it, creates more distrust between reddit's admins and users.

I'm sorry, but the salient point here is that shadowbanning isn't what you're claiming. End of story. I don't know how many ways to make this clearer.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #510
dimino wrote: post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that's not what the reddit community thinks is happening, leading to the current social climate on reddit. I... don't care? I guess you're making some kind of assumption that this conversation needs to know what you think the climate of Reddit's community is. I'd ask "Why" but, I care even less about that . Shadow-banning is for spammers, full stop. I don't care if you think other people think otherwise.

>I guess you're making some kind of assumption that this conversation needs to know what you think the climate of Reddit's community is. I'd ask "Why" but, I care even less about that. Why wouldn't I make that assumption? Go read the OP. One of the main points is that shadowbanning, or the belief in it, creates more distrust between reddit's admins and users.

You've made it plenty clear. In turn, I made it clear that I was dubious of your claim, and that it didn't really matter to the point I was making.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by dimino »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #514
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I guess you're making some kind of assumption that this conversation needs to know what you think the climate of Reddit's community is. I'd ask "Why" but, I care even less about that. Why wouldn't I make that assumption? Go read the OP. One of the main points is that shadowbanning, or the belief in it, creates more distrust between reddit's admins and users.

You've made it plenty clear. In turn, I made it clear that I was dubious of your claim, and that it didn't really matter to the point I was making.

It's not a claim, it's a fact. This isn't a matter of opinion, this is objectively true.

https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3sbrro/accou...

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by MustardTiger »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #285
jules wrote: post #263

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When the so called anti-fascists use violence against peaceful protesters and against the police who try to stop them, then yes.

"""If fascism could be defeated in debate, I assure you that it would never have happened, neither in Germany, nor in Italy, nor anywhere else. Those who recognised its threat at the time and tried to stop it were, I assume, also called “a mob”. Regrettably too many “fair-minded” people didn’t either try, or want to stop it, and, as I witnessed myself during the war, accommodated themselves when it took over … People…

"If too many people disagree with me, we need to kill them". How about no? There is nothing wrong with fascism, and suggesting that people whose political views differ from ones own are subhumans who need to be killed is pretty ironic coming from a supposed holocaust survivor.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by lenish »

RubyPinch wrote: post #256
lenish wrote: post #59

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> opt-in home pages that are tailored at specific audiences. The standard one is pretty low quality. How is that distinct from multireddits? > more detection/policing of voting rings and vote fraud in general One thing that'd help with this is better mod tooling for detecting when it's happening on a reddit you mod.

it'd probably have multireddits underneath, but multireddits don't currently play a part in onboarding as far as detection tools for mods, https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/4tpla8/_/d5j7uo...

Yeah, I read that comment. I'm hoping they can give us at least some form of tooling around this, though. The inability to do even basic things as a mod seriously sucks.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

dimino wrote: post #515
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #514

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You've made it plenty clear. In turn, I made it clear that I was dubious of your claim, and that it didn't really matter to the point I was making.

It's not a claim, it's a fact. This isn't a matter of opinion, this is objectively true. https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3sbrro/accou...

Well, one thing that you may have failed to notice is that this is relatively recent: Less than a year ago, shadowbans were a common ocurrence on Reddit. Note how it said that suspensions would replace shadowbanning.

And it's a claim until you give evidence. Until a day ago, as of now, you didn't.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by mindslight »

maratd wrote: post #511
mindslight wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The codebase is easily accessed, saved, and modified by them, if they want to. This is harder than it already being local, or apt-get install turning into apt-get source. Likely, if they find your app interesting they will keep using it directly from your URL and end up at your mercy. And that's the crux of my point - the assumptions of the platform are at odds with software freedom. Not in a way that is incompatib…

> This is harder than it already being local, or apt-get install turning into apt-get source. Likely, if they find your app interesting they will keep using it directly from your URL and end up at your mercy. You have the same issues with the centralized package distribution system you're pushing? You're reliant on a 3rd party. How many apt-get the source? Saving source on a front-end web app is as simple as clicking…

Yes, I'll happily go there - it's a flaw. I'm not "pushing" apt, I used it as an example with a slightly better way of handling source. At this point, I probably should be running Gentoo/Nix/Guix (but I should also be running Qubes) but my investment in Debian has been too compelling. I'm well aware of sticky path dependence retarding progress, which is exactly why I'm nonplussed about working around the base assumptions of the "web" to make free software.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by dimino »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #518
dimino wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a claim, it's a fact. This isn't a matter of opinion, this is objectively true. https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3sbrro/accou...

Well, one thing that you may have failed to notice is that this is relatively recent: Less than a year ago, shadowbans were a common ocurrence on Reddit. Note how it said that suspensions would replace shadowbanning. And it's a claim until you give evidence. Until a day ago, as of now, you didn't.

You were a not-great person to deal with in this interaction, I shouldn't have to hand-feed you information like this. Do some research next time.
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