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Much in the same way that a well-meaning country have police officers that shoot innocent people, or engage in bad wars, but that misstep doesn't invalidate the whole.
This article doesn't make it clear what was actually leaked. Was it the actual private info or links to it? Was this info already publicly available? Honestly this article seems like retaliation for the earlier DNC leak and is heavy on accusations, light on facts.
Anyone who has been paying attention knows that WikiLeaks has always been careless about sharing private information that puts ordinary people at risk. The only time they've been somewhat responsible is when they partnered with newspapers who know better. The DNC leak for example includes lots of social security numbers and credit card numbers. If they cared at all they could have done a search and replace to get mos…
Someone should teach people that you don't put SSN, CC, and other information in emails.
Also, best not to put in emails things that you'd later not like made public (like getting angry at people and writing things you'd regret).
I believe people got fired for what they said in the Sony hacks.
Now I'm wondering who put this together and why.
It turned out that the source of these documents was Phineas Fisher (@GammaGroupPR on twitter), the hacker who previously released documents on FinFisher, Hacking Team, and a few others. Due to some miscommunication with WikiLeaks, he was actually still in the AKP network when the WL release happened:
> I hacked AKP (the ruling party in Turkey) because I support the society people
> are trying to build in Rojava and Bakur [1], and they're being attacked by
> Turkey [2][3][4]. I don't see leaking as an end in itself, so I was talking with
> people in Rojava and Bakur to see how best to use the access I'd gotten. There
> was a miscommunication between some of them and someone gave a copy of the first
> file I'd downloaded (which had about half of @akparti.org.tr's email up to that
> point) to wikileaks. They quickly corrected the miscommunication and asked
> wikileaks to hold off on publishing it, but wikileaks decided to publish now
> anyway with the international attention from the recent coup attempt. To be fair
> to wikileaks, they didn't know I was still in AKP's network downloading files at
> the time they announced they were publishing [5], but they did know that the
> source who had given them the file was asking them to wait...
I am not certain whether the voter database Zeynep Tufekci described is contained in the WikiLeaks dump (e.g. as an attachment). It is definitely contained in the larger AKP dump released by Phineas Fisher.
Here's a writeup on what is contained in the full AKP dump, which confirms the claims made by the Huffington Post article. I have done some light checking against my own copy of the dump and verified that what they say seems to be correct.
https://medium.com/@crymora/when-leaking-turns-into-dumping-...
Note: I am deliberately not linking directly to the source documents, because I agree that their full and unredacted release was dangerous. You can no doubt find them if you search around, but I'd urge you to think about the possible repercussions carefully before propagating it.
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You should blame the people who made the leaks necessary, not the people doing the leak. Again, manipulating the data in anyway undermines their legitimacy.
I'm not sure it ever was "necessary" for Wikileaks to indiscriminately release large collections of emails sent to the Turkish government, especially if the HuffPo report is correct and it pertains largely to ordinary citizens' messages. "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" is even less true of releasing citizens' sensitive information to the entire world (including factions in a country where peop…
How exactly do you plan to police Wikileaks? Twitter shaming? Thankfully they've proven to be immune to that.
> a special database of almost all adult women in Turkey. Now I'm wondering who put this together and why.
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Would you mind sharing your SSN, credit card numbers, address, and date of birth? We don't yet know if that information will be useful to the world, because we didn't really look at it, but we'd like to have it out in the public record - for completion's sake. I'm sure it'll be valuable to someone. I realize that you may not be involved in any impropriety, but you may have at one point e-mailed someone who is, or som…
You should blame the people who made the leaks necessary, not the people doing the leak. Again, manipulating the data in anyway undermines their legitimacy.
I'm sure you've communicated with people who have done things, or work for people who have done things that are necessary to be leaked. Please explain why this means that your PII should be released.
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You should blame the people who made the leaks necessary, not the people doing the leak. Again, manipulating the data in anyway undermines their legitimacy.
What makes a leak "necessary"? For better or worse, this group believes that practically anything secret should be leaked.
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The brutality seems to have been mostly by Erdogan supporters; though this is probably not what the article was trying to convey...
The casualty numbers are out there.. no need for "seems" Anti-coup casualties: 161 civilians and police officers Pro-coup casualties: 104 military I'm no fan of Erdogan's "reforms" after the coup, but there's no need to alter the narrative in favour of a preferred agenda.
Erdogan was willing to let any number of people be killed to prop up his illegal reign. The soldiers in the coup were humanitarians who were unwilling to kill indiscriminately.
By the time Erdogan is done purging the country his body count will be three orders of magnitude higher.
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What makes a leak "necessary"? For better or worse, this group believes that practically anything secret should be leaked.
A leak is necessary when it demonstrates the government or the leaders are lying. There's zero democracy when the citizens aren't told what's going on.