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The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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post #40

If you think this is a steep decline, wait until they report earnings after this market closes this evening. Another quarter of iPhone sales drops and they're expect to announce iWatch down by over 50% from last year.

>Another quarter of iPhone sales drops

You mean, just a few months before the next model is announced? Who would have thought...

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm 35 and I have probably seen an actual contact book once when I was little. It doesn't make sense to have a skeuomorphic contact book as an icon for Contacts. There was a rhetoric not too long ago where OSx fanboys would make fun of Windows' interfaces for still using the disk icon as the "save" button. Now that guy is complaining that the photos app icon doesn't look like a Point And Shoot camera, when fewer an…

Speaking of, "In defense of the floppy disk": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kylikelQBqg Surprising and excellent talk.

I was surprised about the two big carpets on stage. I wonder why they did that (or conversely no one else does that).

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

#83
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The use of metaphors worked when people didn't know what a computer was, and the only way to make its UI make sense was to mimic real-world objects. Now, this is no longer necessary. It's been 40 years." I disagree strongly. It is now more needed than ever. 40 years ago, the majority of people using computers knew what they were doing. Now, they're everywhere, and people interact with them every day. It's very commo…

> 40 years ago, the majority of people using computers knew what they were doing. You think that 10 and 20 year olds growing up with computers and even smartphones available for all of their life, know less of computers than people in the past? Even a 7 year old that plays games can almost run circles around a 1980s propellerhead computer programmer in using a GUI. Compared to regular people (e.g. office workers) fro…

You think that 10 and 20 year olds growing up with computers and even smartphones available for all of their life, know less of computers than people in the past?

Most of them don't know a thing about computers. It's a magic box with a small selection of shiny buttons on. They use it for passive media consumption.

Even a 7 year old that plays games can almost run circles around a 1980s propellerhead computer programmer in using a GUI.

Well, they clearly forget by the time they're twenty.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/10/millennials-arent-as-tech-sav...

http://www.millennialmarketing.com/2010/04/millennials-tech-...

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

#84
post #18

I'm not sure how to tell this guy, but I'm over 40 years old and I have been using Apple computers literally since elementary school. At a certain point the reference to intuitive design can be to ones own past, if that past has become sufficiently ingrained and intuitive to users. I thought the lament about the photo app dropping the icon that looks like a camera was particularly odd. He seems uninterested in even a…

> the photo app dropping the icon that looks like a camera

But the old iPhoto icon was not only showing a camera, it was showing a camera and a photo. The camera is part of the icon because iPhoto/Photos can also be used to import photos from cameras that look exactly like the one in the icon. The old icon really couldn't be more fitting for what the app does.

And even if users don't know what a camera is, they can still recognise the other 50% of the icon.

Plus, Apple itself still uses the same type of camera in other icons, most notably on the current iOS lock screen, so I don't think anyone is confused by the iconography. Most people never compose a song and yet they know that iTunes' icon is a musical note.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

#86
post #16

One thing I really dislike about 10.10 is that "maximizing" a window will - with a few exceptions - switch it to fullscreen. To maximize a window I need to press Alt while clicking the maximize-button. And there is not even an option to switch this behavior. On a small laptop screen this behaviour might be preferable, but on a FullHD display, I find it rather annoying.

I agree. I broke down and got "Better Snap Tool" and just avoid the maximize icon entirely.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

#87
post #39

OS X looks better than ever. Yeah I agree with Notepad and Photos icons looking not good but everything else is perfect. I'm typing this on an OSX right now and it just looks great. Worst part of the article by far was > OS X packaging, once very elegant and eccentric (and printed on a physical box), has become thoroughly unremarkable. This is 2016, no one uses CD's anymore. And that leopard print box design looks li…

>leopard print box design looks like packaging for some kinky underwear

It's funny witnessing how certain people that a couple years ago considered Apple designs the pinnacle of design and far ahead of everything else using the same arguments today that Windows fans used.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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Wow this guy really misses the skeumorphic interface and really doesn't like minimalist design. Sheesh.

Personally I think OS X has been improving as its gone minimal. I don't like skeumorphic apps. They seem at first glance like they are easier to use, but the analogy actually many times makes they interfaces more misleading for novice users when they can't do everything that they expect they should be able to.

The Finder side bar is a perfect example, for me, on how minimizing an interface can make it more clear. The old Finder side bar looks cluttered and noisy and it can be hard to easily understand everything that's going on there. The more minimal one is easier to read. Could it be improved at this point by bringing some color back? Probably. But sometimes you have to go "too far" minimal to then find where you can bring things back in a way that really improves things.

The OS X interface was in dire need of a reset like this. If you ask me the main problem with the OS X move towards minimalism is that it's been too slow and didn't go far enough in some areas. I would have preferred that OS X went all the way right off the bat and then we could have already been on the path to bringing some more color and shading back in that will probably happen over the next several years.

At least, though, I agree with the author that the Game Center icon is awful.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

#89
post #75

Note: This is my personal opinion! I recently had to use a computer with OS X Mavericks on it (10.9 I think). I was struck by how beautiful the interface was. I'm having trouble finding a good screenshot illustrating this, but compare http://content.gcflearnfree.org/topics/243/2013_new_desktop.... http://download.softwsp.com/sites/12/2015/11/os-x-el-capitan... Everything just looks better on Mavericks. The gradients…

Firefox's problem is that it does the whole UI by itself. This basically makes it look out of place anywhere they haven't explicitly put effort into giving it a similar experience. It looks out of place on El Capitan and on macOS Sierra it's downright disturbing. I don't want tab titles in Times New Roman (at least it reminds me of that).

> Times New Roman (at least it reminds me of that).

Really? The tab titles on my firefox are very clearly a sans-serif font, and don't look at all out of place.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

#90
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree in parts with you The Photos icon "metaphor" doesn't work for me, for example

You know, Google Chrome's icon doesn't depict a webpage, but I know I can click on it and use it to browse the Web.

Yes (neither does Opera or Mosaic have anything to do with Web browsing), however:

- Chrome is a brand, and people have been educated to expect that from it (same with Ps and Ai - "everybody" knows what's that)

- Photos is an utility, it does not exist outside of Mac OS X. Like the fuel icon in a car gauge, it is supposed to be discoverable

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