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UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption

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Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption

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Post by CarolineW »

nxzero wrote: post #20
vidarh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of what you wrote. Just one comment: > (e.g. with millions of cameras and facial recognition) The vast majority of CCTV in the UK is not networked, and owned by small private companies (e.g. your local corner store), and rarely store data long enough to be of use to anyone unless something sufficiently serious happens to cause a request to be made quickly. While there are areas covered by networked,…

UK is being watched by a network of 1.85m CCTV cameras. EDIT: Curious how stating a fact is worth downvotes. What am I missing?

You are stating something that the parent comment explicitly says is not true. Quoting:

    > The vast majority of CCTV in the
    > UK is not networked, and owned by
    > small private companies ...
So you say:

    > UK is being watched by a network
    > of 1.85m CCTV cameras.
Your comment adds nothing to the discussion, and is contradicting the parent comment without evidence.

Whether you are right or wrong, I suspect that's why you're being downvoted. If you flatly contradict someone without substantially adding to the discussion, that's what happens.

Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption

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Post by geggam »

tetrep wrote: post #24

I think this same logic that is purportedly the reasoning behind this bill would also require us to constantly record all of our vocal communications, as that would be the only way we could ensure that criminals could not have communications that aren't accessible to law enforcement. This, of course, would require microphones on all citizens as well as many more in the surrounding environment, to ensure communication…

Most citizens carry said microphones complete with GPS and other tracking abilities... already

Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption

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Post by CarolineW »

saintwind wrote: post #28
nxzero wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK is being watched by a network of 1.85m CCTV cameras. EDIT: Curious how stating a fact is worth downvotes. What am I missing?

You can't state facts that go against the hivemind here, otherwise a downvote will occur.

It's demonstrably not a fact, and it doesn't add to the discussion. Add constructively to the discussion and contrary opinions are not only tolerated, but engaged.

Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption

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Post by Zigurd »

zeveb wrote: post #3

> 'If we do not provide for access to encrypted communications when it is necessary and proportionate to do so then we must simply accept that there can be areas online beyond the reach of the law.' Yes, yes we must accept that, since it's reality. Queen Elizabeth can no more hold back encrypted communications than King Canute could hold back the tide.

Even here you see people who harbor the delusion that governments are all-powerful, ignoring the fact that if they employed mind-readers, or, for that matter "polygraphers," they would be an unscientific fraud and no amount of law could change that.

Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption

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Post by stordoff »

nxzero wrote: post #20
vidarh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of what you wrote. Just one comment: > (e.g. with millions of cameras and facial recognition) The vast majority of CCTV in the UK is not networked, and owned by small private companies (e.g. your local corner store), and rarely store data long enough to be of use to anyone unless something sufficiently serious happens to cause a request to be made quickly. While there are areas covered by networked,…

UK is being watched by a network of 1.85m CCTV cameras. EDIT: Curious how stating a fact is worth downvotes. What am I missing?

There are a huge number of CCTV cameras in the UK (potentially up to six million[0]), but it is somewhat misleading to call it a network of cameras. Many are owned by private businesses, not the Government. From [0]:

> A key finding of our research is that the proportion of cameras controlled by local government is around 1 in 70. [...] Without the help of businesses investing into their privately-owned systems, the Police would only have access to the one publically-owned camera per 1,000 head of population [population of UK/1000 ~= 64000]

[0] http://www.securitynewsdesk.com/bsia-attempts-to-clarify-que...

Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption

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Post by 3v3rt »

Interesting to see that at the same time the EU privacy watch dog is proposing to mandate encryption and outlaw these kind of decryption methodologies[0]. While still an opinion, it is good to see that in this area the EU is among the most progressive governments around. [0] https://secure.edps.europa.eu/EDPSWEB/webdav/site/mySite/sha...

Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption

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Post by martiuk »

fweespeech wrote: post #2

Has the UK lost their god damned minds? I'm sorry but between this and everything else lately...they seem pretty committed to "Security at any economic and/or personal cost! Security for everyone!" In the real world, that never works.

"but paedos and terrorists!!!!"

Welcome to any debate RE: technology and privacy.

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