UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption
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Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption
#2Has the UK lost their god damned minds?
I'm sorry but between this and everything else lately...they seem pretty committed to "Security at any economic and/or personal cost! Security for everyone!"
In the real world, that never works.
Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption
#3> 'If we do not provide for access to encrypted communications when it is necessary and proportionate to do so then we must simply accept that there can be areas online beyond the reach of the law.'
Yes, yes we must accept that, since it's reality. Queen Elizabeth can no more hold back encrypted communications than King Canute could hold back the tide.
Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption
#4Has the UK lost their god damned minds? I'm sorry but between this and everything else lately...they seem pretty committed to "Security at any economic and/or personal cost! Security for everyone!" In the real world, that never works.
s/security/Orwell/
Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption
#5> “Doors are now almost ubiquitous and are the default for most houses and buildings. If we do not provide for access to people's bathrooms when it is necessary and proportionate to do so then we must simply accept that there can be rooms beyond the reach of the law,”
There are well-established and functional methods for extending law into areas that you can't see all the time. You don't need to ban encryption, in exactly the same way that you don't have to ban doors. Just because it's ooon the iiiinterneeettttt doesn't mean you need to break everything.
Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption
#6It's such a pointless war on its own law-abiding citizens. It makes me sad.
People that really care about privacy, people who need to hide what they do will not be majorly impacted.
* The main threat is metadata anyways, not the data itself. Locating where you are (e.g. with millions of cameras and facial recognition) is a much worse threat.
* They will still use full disk encryption, free software, PGP or AES, etc. outside of the affected apps. That software won't stop to exist, nor the mathematics that powers it will stop working.
The sad part is that the people who will be disproportionally affected will be the common people who have nothing to hide anyways, and do not have the technical means, or the will, to protect themselves.
TLDR: useless and damaging.
Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption
#7Has the UK lost their god damned minds? I'm sorry but between this and everything else lately...they seem pretty committed to "Security at any economic and/or personal cost! Security for everyone!" In the real world, that never works.
Policy in the UK is dictated by the newspapers. If it makes the Sun and the Mail happy, then it's a good policy. No doubt this fits the bill.
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#8If I want to keep my communications encrypted online, I'm going to do so. The only people who won't have the same luxury as me are those that follow the law. I don't get it.
Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption
#9It's such a pointless war on its own law-abiding citizens. It makes me sad. People that really care about privacy, people who need to hide what they do will not be majorly impacted. * The main threat is metadata anyways, not the data itself. Locating where you are (e.g. with millions of cameras and facial recognition) is a much worse threat. * They will still use full disk encryption, free software, PGP or AES, etc.…
It provides a sort of scapegoat for attacks. The government can't be seen as doing nothing against the threat of terrorism, so when the adversary uses encryption to cover their tracks, the government can point and say 'we did our best to outlaw their method of communication'.
Re: UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end encryption
#10Has the UK lost their god damned minds? I'm sorry but between this and everything else lately...they seem pretty committed to "Security at any economic and/or personal cost! Security for everyone!" In the real world, that never works.
I don't think it's to do with people 'losing their minds'. The weird thing about bills like this, or really anything effecting privacy/IT security, is that no matter how bad it is the general public have no idea it's happening. The number of people I've spoken to who know nothing about Snowden/PRISM etc despite it being front page news for months shocks me.
That basically means that it's up to a small group of people who are informed (like ourselves) to do what we can to stop this stuff. If we sit back and do nothing they won't have any problem implementing these laws.