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The World's most Ingenious Thief

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Re: The World's most Ingenious Thief

#11

Post by mseebach »

ThomPete wrote: post #9
mseebach wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You know what I like about this guy? that he did not prey on the weak. He preyed on those bigger and stronger than him. Oh please with the righteous Robin Hood ethics. First, they were not stronger than him, that how he got in. Second, just because you're a bank, it doesn't mean having hundreds of thousands stolen doesn't impact anyone, or is somehow just, for that matter. Third, what do you call framing the Brink-…

It's an interesting dilemma. One one side what he does is obviously wrong. On the other side what fantastic skills. With regards to the people of Austria I am pretty sure that the star wasn't made without exploiting other people. Things like these are not so black and white. That story is a film worthy.

Not really. Your skills and what you apply said skills to don't overlap.

What's a dilemma is that we only hear about these people when they apply their skills to evil. If he'd done a career in bank security, it's very likely we'd never have heard a word about what he did.

> I am pretty sure that the star wasn't made without exploiting other people

Sure, that's why it belongs to, and should belong to, the austrian people.

> That story is a film worthy.

Catch me if You Can II: The Austrian Job :)

Re: The World's most Ingenious Thief

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Post by sheats »

Wow, I rarely read non-technical stories online. I usually just skim and move on but this one I read every word. What is it about this type of story that is so intriguing? I guess I just figured this type of thing only happens in movies.

Re: The World's most Ingenious Thief

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Post by mseebach »

mroman wrote: post #10
mseebach wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You know what I like about this guy? that he did not prey on the weak. He preyed on those bigger and stronger than him. Oh please with the righteous Robin Hood ethics. First, they were not stronger than him, that how he got in. Second, just because you're a bank, it doesn't mean having hundreds of thousands stolen doesn't impact anyone, or is somehow just, for that matter. Third, what do you call framing the Brink-…

Interesting, that you would attribute "righteous Robin Hood ethics" to my post. Not so. Read what I wrote. They were stronger than him in the sense that they had more resources than he did. That they failed to utilize those in an efficient manner is another matter altogether. Nor did I say that stealing from a bank is just, or that it did not impact anyone. Framing the brinks guy? Was the man charged or convicted? No…

> How ridiculous, one states something, and here comes someone with deficient reading skills and whips up a slew of crap that has no bearing on what I stated.

So, I'm not going to waste any time getting into an argument with someone with deficient argumentation skills, except to clarify one bit:

> Framing the brinks guy? Was the man charged or convicted? No. Therefore, no frame.

So the police bust into his home, hauled him into custody, scaring the crap out of his wife and children, and searched everything. He was likely suspended from work, pending his clearing. And even after being cleared, there's no guarantee that the suspicion disappeared before the Dan guy was convicted. Not a frame? BS, it's the definition of a frame.

Re: The World's most Ingenious Thief

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Post by Luc »

I'm wondering if this parachuting story has got any corroboration. I searched in German but found nothing. It's a good tale, the stuff of legends, but for all we know he just hid behind a curtain in one of those 1000 rooms until after closing time.

Re: The World's most Ingenious Thief

#15

Post by pohl »

mseebach wrote: post #11
ThomPete wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an interesting dilemma. One one side what he does is obviously wrong. On the other side what fantastic skills. With regards to the people of Austria I am pretty sure that the star wasn't made without exploiting other people. Things like these are not so black and white. That story is a film worthy.

Not really. Your skills and what you apply said skills to don't overlap. What's a dilemma is that we only hear about these people when they apply their skills to evil. If he'd done a career in bank security, it's very likely we'd never have heard a word about what he did. > I am pretty sure that the star wasn't made without exploiting other people Sure, that's why it belongs to, and should belong to, the austrian peo…

What's a dilemma is that we only hear about these people when they apply their skills to evil.

It's a dilemma in the same sense that rain on your wedding day is ironic. You've just written Ms. Morissette's comeback single.

Re: The World's most Ingenious Thief

#16

Post by mroman »

mseebach wrote: post #13
mroman wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, that you would attribute "righteous Robin Hood ethics" to my post. Not so. Read what I wrote. They were stronger than him in the sense that they had more resources than he did. That they failed to utilize those in an efficient manner is another matter altogether. Nor did I say that stealing from a bank is just, or that it did not impact anyone. Framing the brinks guy? Was the man charged or convicted? No…

> How ridiculous, one states something, and here comes someone with deficient reading skills and whips up a slew of crap that has no bearing on what I stated. So, I'm not going to waste any time getting into an argument with someone with deficient argumentation skills, except to clarify one bit: > Framing the brinks guy? Was the man charged or convicted? No. Therefore, no frame. So the police bust into his home, haul…

> So, I'm not going to waste any time getting into an argument with someone with deficient argumentation skills

Right, coming from someone whose debating skills amount to putting words into another person's mouth (or writing)

Now, just where did you read about "the police bust into his home, hauled him into custody, scaring the crap out of his wife and children, and searched everything. He was likely suspended from work, pending his clearing. And even after being cleared, there's no guarantee that the suspicion disappeared before the Dan guy was convicted."?

Seriously, where did you get that?

You seem to fabricate more and more fantasy as you go along . . .

Re: The World's most Ingenious Thief

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Post by c00ki3s »

Luc wrote: post #14

I'm wondering if this parachuting story has got any corroboration. I searched in German but found nothing. It's a good tale, the stuff of legends, but for all we know he just hid behind a curtain in one of those 1000 rooms until after closing time.

Well, you obviously need to search in Austrian ;)

Re: The World's most Ingenious Thief

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Post by mseebach »

pohl wrote: post #15
mseebach wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Your skills and what you apply said skills to don't overlap. What's a dilemma is that we only hear about these people when they apply their skills to evil. If he'd done a career in bank security, it's very likely we'd never have heard a word about what he did. > I am pretty sure that the star wasn't made without exploiting other people Sure, that's why it belongs to, and should belong to, the austrian peo…

What's a dilemma is that we only hear about these people when they apply their skills to evil. It's a dilemma in the same sense that rain on your wedding day is ironic. You've just written Ms. Morissette's comeback single.

I'm sorry, it's a shame then :)

Re: The World's most Ingenious Thief

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Post by mroman »

Luc wrote: post #14

I'm wondering if this parachuting story has got any corroboration. I searched in German but found nothing. It's a good tale, the stuff of legends, but for all we know he just hid behind a curtain in one of those 1000 rooms until after closing time.

I wondered about that myself, however, it is plausible in a sense.

Re: The World's most Ingenious Thief

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Post by mseebach »

mroman wrote: post #16
mseebach wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How ridiculous, one states something, and here comes someone with deficient reading skills and whips up a slew of crap that has no bearing on what I stated. So, I'm not going to waste any time getting into an argument with someone with deficient argumentation skills, except to clarify one bit: > Framing the brinks guy? Was the man charged or convicted? No. Therefore, no frame. So the police bust into his home, haul…

> So, I'm not going to waste any time getting into an argument with someone with deficient argumentation skills Right, coming from someone whose debating skills amount to putting words into another person's mouth (or writing) Now, just where did you read about "the police bust into his home, hauled him into custody, scaring the crap out of his wife and children, and searched everything. He was likely suspended from w…

> Right, coming from someone whose debating skills amount to putting words into another person's mouth (or writing)

I called it as I read it. You pointed it out as something commendable that he preyed on the strong rather than the weak. I responded that preying is never commendable, and that he prayed on plenty of weak people. So far you've done nothing to explain your position to me, except to throw profanities.

> Now, just where did you read about "the police bust into his home .." Seriously, where did you get that?

I didn't, but extrapolated it from the the way Dan was apprehended (by a SWAT team one time, though at no point is it mentioned that anyone considered him even remotely dangerous). I should have added "it's likely that ..". Fantasy? Perhaps - but what do you think happens to a security-systems-installer who's named as the perpetrator behind a multi-$100.000 hoist?

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