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Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by erikpukinskis »

anjc wrote: post #469
erikpukinskis wrote: post #370

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> There's no point in having your quota of "people of colour", as the article puts it, if the business model is unsustainable and leads to people being fired anyway. Your assumption is that people of color have nothing to bring to the table; that white people are better suited to helping create sustainable business models. The label I would use for this belief in the absence of reliable evidence is "white supremacy",…

> Your assumption is that people of color have nothing to bring to the table I didn't say, or even imply, this. I said that it makes no sense to put significant management and administrative resources, within a failing company, into something which will not help the company succeed. I'd say the exact same thing if we were talking about a company full of Japanese people in Japan, or black people in Kenya, or whatever.…

How do you know they don't need the women to survive?

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by maratd »

mindslight wrote: post #486
maratd wrote: post #480

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> But I've never heard of one where the majority of users actually do so https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted

The majority of that list has nothing to do with the web (eg sendmail). And many of the projects that do also fail the requirements - for instance most users of a blog platform are readers , who still aren't in control of said software. We're obviously not disagreeing about the utility of local software, just that of "web apps". I assert that the platform itself is inherently biased towards making non-Free software.…

> The majority of that list has nothing to do with the web

There are 188 PHP web applications in that list. 60 NodeJS web applications. 86 Python web applications. 25 Ruby web applications. I can go on.

You're just being silly by pretending that this segment doesn't exist.

> I assert that the platform itself is inherently biased towards making non-Free software.

As opposed to native applications? I recall those being distributed through "app stores" where you have zero access to even the binary, nevermind the source code, and demand payment in return for access to either the application or features within that application.

Does that mean native applications have a bias toward "making non-Free software"? No. And the answer is no for web as well.

> They just need to be aware that it's an uphill battle against one's own assumptions, and building the same type of centralized systems desired by business interests (but releasing the code) likely does not suffice.

I have no idea what this means, but based on your previous statements you're assuming a multi-user registration model with a centralized database you find on every commercial site which is a pre-requisite to monetization.

You don't need to have that for a web app. At all. You can build a calculator as a web app. Or any desktop or command line application as a web app. With no registration or database required. Just type in a web address and start using the app. There is nothing inherent about web development that requires a user-based system.

There is no uphill challenge to building free software using web. Now, you obviously won't have as many users of your software because getting things running is much more difficult ... but that's changing with platforms like Electron.

http://electron.atom.io/

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by vsl »

albedoa wrote: post #478
CM30 wrote: post #412

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Huh? Yes, I'm involved in gaming journalism and have some interest in the drama going on surrounding controversies like GamerGate, Brexit, various political elections, etc. Does this affect anything? Maybe, but I wouldn't say that makes it disingenuous. I've seen people smear others with accusations of crimes to try and get them fired. I've seen people sic their followers on those they don't like. There have been var…

> Huh? Nothing was more predictable than the feigned incredulousness, as if you haven't been harping on these exact talking points for months on this site while rationalizing GamerGate [1] and trying to convince us we've been deceived and it's not what we think. Some gems from that query: > So you believe what the media tells you about GamerGate? Because there's pretty clear evidence that regardless of your side in t…

He's not wrong. And the claims of Twitter's political bias ARE supported above (and pretty easy to find too if you're willing to).

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

dimino wrote: post #484
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #465

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right... /sarcasm

Please follow HN rules when commenting.

I fail to see where you find issue with my comment in reference to the rules.

If you thought I was making a contentless post, sure, I can fix that: plenty of people who weren't spammers have been shadowbanned. Just look it up.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by reitanqild »

nkurz wrote: post #440
reitanqild wrote: post #356

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I find HN and arstechnica.com a lot more civilized than the comments section on the major local newspaper. I have hypothesised that the reason is that without anonymity only * (trolls with) fake accounts * politically correct people and people who think they are pc * and people who don't care about real life reputation anyway post in any kind of controversial debate. Normal knowledgeable people doesn't want to lose t…

You missed: * naive idealists who believe that truth and reason matter more than immediate public perception This is subtly different than "people who don't care about real life reputation" in that they sincerely hope that despite any short term damage to reputation, in the long run others (or at least some subset) will come respect their honesty and rationality. I'm probably naive and idealist, but at least on HN, I…

> Although, am I reading correctly that you are considering HN to be "without anonymity"?

No. Sorry if unclear. I categorise HN accounts as pseudonymous with optional real life names.

> In the current "persistent pseudonymous" system, what do you think constitutes a "fake account"?

What would annoy me is real sockpuppet accounts, controlling more than one account and using it to

* upvote ones own comments and postings

* astroturf

* using it as a strawman to defame opponents (i.e. by running a sock puppet account that seemingly supports some cases while posting bad arguments for that case etc.)

* etc

Personally I have nothing against using multiple accounts as long as there is a reason (i.e. someone has an account with full name and another that they use when they want to post or comment something that they do not want to reflect back on their real life persona, family and workplace.)

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by reitanqild »

DanBC wrote: post #441
reitanqild wrote: post #356

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I find HN and arstechnica.com a lot more civilized than the comments section on the major local newspaper. I have hypothesised that the reason is that without anonymity only * (trolls with) fake accounts * politically correct people and people who think they are pc * and people who don't care about real life reputation anyway post in any kind of controversial debate. Normal knowledgeable people doesn't want to lose t…

Many local newspaper comment sections have people posting vile things under their real names, often linked to their facebook accounts.

That was exactly my point. Sorry that I was unclear.

Honest question since two people read my post that way, I obviously was unclear, but where?

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by johnbm »

cthalupa wrote: post #479
dudul wrote: post #334

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I personally don't think people should be accountable for their followers behavior, but let's suppose it is so. Then, should we ban people such as Shanley, Randi Harper and their likes when they "unleash" their followers on some guy? And this is actually different. While Milo did not explicitly call for the attacks, Shanley and Randi routinely do call for a target to be abused, for their companies to be harassed unti…

>Then, should we ban people such as Shanley, Randi Harper and their likes when they "unleash" their followers on some guy? Absolutely. If the goal for Twitter is to be a place free from this sort of abuse, then anyone using a position of prominence to call for harassment and abuse should not be allowed to do so. I don't actually know who these people are/that they've done what you're saying, but if it's true, then I…

Randi Harper is... Wait for it... an anti harassment activist who runs an "abuse prevention initiative". Who got kicked out of the FreeBSD community for being abusive.

Meanwhile Shanley Kane is a prominent Women in Tech advocate and founder of diversity magazine Model View Culture who got famous trolling twitter and having meltdowns when people called her out on it. She also wrote her cofounder Amelia Greenhall out of the site's history, and picked a fight with Gittip founder Chad Whitacre when people called her out on her dubious money making schemes.

Do as I say, not as I do, it's built into the entire "harassment" narrative that's been pushed the last few years.

It's all politicized, manufactured drama. It's not about real harassment at all. It's about self serving narcissists and power.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by K2L8M11N2 »

grandalf wrote: post #15

Why does Reddit have to become a media empire? The formula for doing that is pretty well-known by this point: We'll see a ban on throwaway accounts and a push for real names, then a ban on third party URL shorteners, then interruption ads, and finally some sort of paywall. Reddit is a useful piece of internet infrastructure, and I'd be pleased if it would stay that way. It doesn't need to become its own media empire…

>then a ban on third party URL shorteners

aren't they banned already?

from the reddiquette[1]:

>please don't use link shorteners to post your content

[1] https://www.reddit.com/wiki/reddiquette

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by ManlyBread »

hexane360 wrote: post #400
ManlyBread wrote: post #305

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The whole notion of "brigading" and "doxxing" that reddit has is just plan stupid. The whole site is build on linking stuff to other places on the internet, but suddenly, when you link to the site itself there's a problem? "Doxxing" is an issue, but reddit is overly sensitive where it's impossible to link publicly accessible data that the people in question put up for everyone to see. I've been banned for linking a f…

Well, as far as brigading goes, the violation is actually doing it, not linking to the wrong sub. However, the rules aren't enforced evenly. Some subs have been threatened with shutdowns for allowing any links, even np links. Some subs openly allow links and disallow np links, with no retaliation. Doxxing is a similar issue. However, were you banned by a mod or shadowbanned by an admin? Because mods can mod their sub…

The very concept of "brigading" doesn't make sense, as it more than ofter actually punishes someone for actually using the site's features. I've been banned for following a link to reddit posted on 4chan and voting - apparently there was a raid and the admins acted like I was a part of it. Totally unprofessional and doesn't stop actual, organized raids done via IRC.

As for doxxing - both, actually. I had to create at least 5 different reddit accounts in the span of less than two years, always getting banned for petty stuff like stating someone's real name when it was actually used on twitter. Reddit is a waste of time and it's not because of cat memes, it's because of the attitudes of admins who doesn't give a shit about quality or their userbase.

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