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Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by reptation »

eropple wrote: post #96
mindslight wrote: post #14

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> The mistake was ever allowing that kind of freedom in the first place, because people developed an expectation that it would persist. Sure, and then we wouldn't be talking about reddit but rather whatever site was actually free at the time. The only reason web forums exist is because people are lazy about adopting decentralized Free software. Yet the owners of these centralized services, as well as paternalistic sp…

> The only reason web forums exist is because people are lazy about adopting decentralized Free software Or because that open-source software is user-hostile and has no serious argument for its use for 99% of people. When users don't do something you like, in almost every instance it's your failing rather than theirs.

Have you tried using federated sites like quitter.no? It's pretty much the same UI as Twitter.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by rmc »

MustardTiger wrote: post #275
sbmassey wrote: post #266

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Did anyone in Nazi Germany really claim that the anti-Nazis were the real Nazis or fascists or something? Sounds unlikely somehow.

No, in particular since neither national socialism nor fascism was a boogeyman then.

Before the Nazis came to power, there were plenty of people in Germany who thought the Nazi party & Hitler were thugs and dangerous.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by chimeracoder »

liotier wrote: post #260
mrweasel wrote: post #220

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>either they want controlled speech that meets Liberal guidelines and a Social Justice Agenda, to attract more people like that to provide a safe place on the Internet There's a lot of well made points to you post, so I feel bad focusing only on this one thing, but I really don't believe in creating a "safe place". It's simply not possible to provide a safe place online, while providing a platform for any meaningful…

> Reddit is already a mostly left-wing echo-camber WTF ? My subbredits certainly are - but there is also conservative xenophobia aplenty if that is your thing !

> WTF ? My subbredits certainly are - but there is also conservative xenophobia aplenty if that is your thing !

Or subreddits like /r/worldnews, which are basically left-wing xenophobia echo chambers.

I'd actually argue that most larger subreddits are like that as well (strongly left wing, with a bent of xenophobia), just less explicitly.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

im4w1l wrote: post #172
beefsack wrote: post #23

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> If there is a lesson in this, it is that online communities which plan to implement anti-harassment policies ought to do so from the beginning, and develop the expectation among the users that such policies exist, and will continue to exist. A few relatively popular programming languages have begun publishing official community code of conduct documents[1][2]. While initially I thought it was a bit overreaching, I…

The Rust leadership tolerates harassment and threats as long as its against the right wing. One of Rust's top people wants to violently purge the tech community. https://archive.is/BtDaA

Nazi programmers can follow the Nazi punks and etc.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

jules wrote: post #263
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #252

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“The anti-fascists are the real fascists!” is a tired argument and it has been for more than 70 years, ever since that was said in actual Nazi Germany and the fascists proceeded to win.

When the so called anti-fascists use violence against peaceful protesters and against the police who try to stop them, then yes.

"""If fascism could be defeated in debate, I assure you that it would never have happened, neither in Germany, nor in Italy, nor anywhere else. Those who recognised its threat at the time and tried to stop it were, I assume, also called “a mob”. Regrettably too many “fair-minded” people didn’t either try, or want to stop it, and, as I witnessed myself during the war, accommodated themselves when it took over … People who witnessed fascism at its height are dying out, but the ideology is still here, and its apologists are working hard at a comeback. Past experience should teach us that fascism must be stopped before it takes hold again of too many minds, and becomes useful once again to some powerful interests""" <--- Franz Frison, Holocaust survivor

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by lmm »

jfoutz wrote: post #8

I didn't realize drinking on the job was a thing. I've had the odd company party with beer in the late afternoon, but that's perhaps twice a year. I'm not a teetotaler by any stretch of the imagination, but drinking at work seems counterproductive.

For medium-to-large organizations, lack of communication is the biggest problem - especially no-one being willing to say anything negative. Drinking cultures can greatly increase productivity, IME.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

reitzensteinm wrote: post #271
rmc wrote: post #213

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"right wing" or "far right wing". Remember we're talking about literal neo-nazis here, not just Conservatives.

To clarify the context, are you saying that gamergate members are literal neo-nazis?

Do white nationalists count (example: Vox Day)

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by lmm »

Animats wrote: post #152
cerrelio wrote: post #95

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I see why they want to create their own curated content. A friend of mine has created and run several user-generated content sites and he said: "user generated content is worthless; largely racism and porn." It's driven by the lowest common denominator. As long as content is hosted on company-controlled servers where ad revenue is the model for survival, you're going to see slow declines and eventual busts like Digg.…

How much does it really cost to run a forum system? Even a big one? Look at 4chan.

Moot came from a wealthy family and was able to subsidize 4chan. He deserves a lot of respect for that, but it's not a sustainable/replicable model.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by lintiness »

twblalock wrote: post #61
Esau wrote: post #20

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I think what happens when we have truly anonymous free speech, on places such as Reddit, Twitter, and 4Chan, shows that we are nowhere as civilized as we like to think we are.

YouTube comments are what really does it for me.

tip of me fidora, m'lady

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by retox »

The human race is comprised of horrible people, any website that accepts user contributions will attract contributions from horrible people. As a service owner you have a decision; either you say that everyone's opinion is valid, horrible and all, or you say no; these are the rules around what you can post and anything outside those boundaries is subject to removal.

What you absolutely should _not_ do is build a brand around being in the first category and then transition to the second. Especially if all your content is user contributed.

Of course, no one thinks of themselves or their in-group as horrible. You could substitute horrible for flawed if it makes you feel better.

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