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Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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I like reddit. I don't really care so much about the frontpage. I like other subreddits where discussion is central (bestof, subredditdrama, changemyview, self, ask), or content subreddit (games, wallpapers, military, photos). The default subreddits feel like google news.

What's important is the users and how there is room for them to exchange both ways, unlike standard medias.

There also are many people watching for bias, would it come from moderation, brigade, corporate, etc. You will often reads posts about actual professional in a field explaining you something, and it often is enlightening (granted that I would not trust reddit for a decision that implies my own existence).

Generally, reddit works because the users can see and feel that people are exchanging, talking, sharing, reacting. It's "alive". Even facebook cannot really pretend being that lively place, that "bazaar".

What must be really tough is how you manage that many teams of moderators. That must be a nightmare, but to me it seems that it's vital. Fortunately it seems that they will always find people for that, because their subreddit revolves around something they like, and they will often do a good job (it seems) because they want to promote that hobby, not that it will directly benefit them financially (example, moderator of askhistorians).

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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post #172

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> If there is a lesson in this, it is that online communities which plan to implement anti-harassment policies ought to do so from the beginning, and develop the expectation among the users that such policies exist, and will continue to exist. A few relatively popular programming languages have begun publishing official community code of conduct documents[1][2]. While initially I thought it was a bit overreaching, I…

The Rust leadership tolerates harassment and threats as long as its against the right wing. One of Rust's top people wants to violently purge the tech community. https://archive.is/BtDaA

"right wing" or "far right wing". Remember we're talking about literal neo-nazis here, not just Conservatives.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Reddit's content curation has come at a time when social media writ large (Facebook, Twitter) has become linked into State Department and DoD programs. Counter-intelligence objectives are fought on the 'private property' of social media servers that host the content of individuals. Fighting the 'War of Ideas' in the 'cognitive domain of warfare', the effort to starve unwanted ideas for a place to roost and feed other…

Well I've read that the most "reddit addict" city is known for hosting a huge air force base, meaning intelligence agency.

So yes, it's "ungoverned", but it's still a goldmine for information study. I guess /r/syriancivilwar must be tracked heavily.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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I think much of Reddit's problems with its userbase boil down to an early failure to manage expectations. It's pretty clear that the Reddit corporation doesn't want Reddit to be an anything-goes, absolute free speech zone with no moderation or anti-harassment policies -- but that's what the site actually was for many years. Now, when the company cracks down, users think their freedoms are being curtailed. The mistake…

It is only a certain kind of harrassment that Twitter has a problem with, that against its friends. [1]

Celebrate cops being murdered, that's ok.

When Condé Nast employees express death wishes

https://i.sli.mg/XfKOEs.jpg

Or Sony Film stars incite mob violence

http://web.archive.org/web/20160721232327/https://twitter.co...

There is a significant silence.

[1] http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/20/twitters-history-ce...

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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I think much of Reddit's problems with its userbase boil down to an early failure to manage expectations. It's pretty clear that the Reddit corporation doesn't want Reddit to be an anything-goes, absolute free speech zone with no moderation or anti-harassment policies -- but that's what the site actually was for many years. Now, when the company cracks down, users think their freedoms are being curtailed. The mistake…

I have a theory — to clean up a site, find and expel the most egregious offenders, like the people who engage in repeated name-calling ("You are a fucking asshole!") as opposed to constructive discussion. You can't police every user, but if you find and expel the worst offenders, I suspect it will have a significant effect on the quality of conversation.

name calling is not even on the list of stuff that I would have placed in a list of bad things users of Reddit do. Unfortunately, while that could be applied to HN, reddit is another world. Much of the freedom of speech culture still exists and while not on the main page, there are a lot of communities dedicated to hate or just fighting each other and instigating rage.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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I can't imagine a situation where someone has beliefs that do not affect his actions in any way. I would agree that unexpressed values would propagate less.

> I can't imagine a situation where someone has beliefs that do not affect his actions in any way. That was an extreme example used to illustrate the point I was making. Racism is also only an example; there are plenty of other beliefs that are bad for society. Personally, I suspect that sexism is probably far more prevalent on Reddit than racism, for example. Social stigma can prevent one's beliefs from affecting on…

> If racism becomes acceptable again

Some would say that racism is still acceptable in USA today. Just look at Trump. (Yes not as openly as before, but it hasn't been erradicated)

There's a saying that the USA went from thinking that racism was OK, to not knowing what racism is.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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I think much of Reddit's problems with its userbase boil down to an early failure to manage expectations. It's pretty clear that the Reddit corporation doesn't want Reddit to be an anything-goes, absolute free speech zone with no moderation or anti-harassment policies -- but that's what the site actually was for many years. Now, when the company cracks down, users think their freedoms are being curtailed. The mistake…

>It's pretty clear that the Reddit corporation doesn't want Reddit to be an anything-goes, absolute free speech zone with no moderation or anti-harassment policies

I think lots of webmasters actually believed in that but we all now realise that that simply doesn't work. I won't mention examples of lawless online communities but I'm sure all of us know of a few. In my experience they are all disasters.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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post #144

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That's not a "reasonable view", it's a fantasy that purports to read other people's minds from 10 years ago in order to demean their work. I'm pretty comfortable saying comments like that don't belong on HN and that we would all do better to think more and inhibit ourselves before posting them. If people want to slag others on the internet, there are plenty of places to do it; here we try for a higher standard.

XD Oh no, I hope Yishan and Alexis didn't get too upset after someone criticized their billion dollar company.

I don't care about that. I care about HN not sucking, and that requires commenters to be more charitable.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Well seeing failures in Reddit, are almost the same failures I saw in other dotcom startups, not having a business plan that works. When Reddit was formed, it supported free speech of everyone. They didn't have a plan to earn a profit, they just wanted a better discussion board than Slashdot, Kuro5hin, Digg, Stumbleupon and others. Digg eventually had to make changes to their site that went into the paid accounts and…

>either they want controlled speech that meets Liberal guidelines and a Social Justice Agenda, to attract more people like that to provide a safe place on the Internet

There's a lot of well made points to you post, so I feel bad focusing only on this one thing, but I really don't believe in creating a "safe place". It's simply not possible to provide a safe place online, while providing a platform for any meaningful debate.

Even if Reddit, or others, had the resources to provide a "safe space", the result would be a place no one goes to. People are offended by everything, and eliminating content until everyone feels "safe" would leave you in a situation where most content is never seen.

Reddit is already a mostly left-wing echo-camber. Opinions that diverge from the norm is pushed to smaller subreddit. Making Reddit "safer" would mean closing down the subreddits that you disagree with, but you're shrinking the user base every time you do that.

I understand that it's a terrible thing to tell people, but if you want to be in a safe space, stay of the Internet.

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