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From almost a democracy to world's second North Korea, virtually overnight. Impressive. But I also think this will backfire badly for Erdogan.
There's a whole lot of existing countries between Turkey (even Turkey today) and North Korea.
This is going to end poorly... False flag or not, the coup has given Erdogan an excuse to flush out and exterminate all who oppose him. Anyone want to take bets how long until NATO will revoke Turkey's membership?
Unfortunately, the people of Turkey were going to be screwed no matter how the coup went. If it had succeeded, they would have got a military dictatorship. Now they get a different kind of dictatorship instead. Erdogan was slowly evolving into a dictator before the coup, and now he's accelerating that process. I wonder if the best outcome for democracy in Turkey would have been a attempted coup which resulted in Erdo…
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-04/turkish-g...
From almost a democracy to world's second North Korea, virtually overnight. Impressive. But I also think this will backfire badly for Erdogan.
I agree... This is just a temporary thing for sure. NATO isn't too happy with the outcome of this, so I presume that something is going to come of that.
This is going to end poorly... False flag or not, the coup has given Erdogan an excuse to flush out and exterminate all who oppose him. Anyone want to take bets how long until NATO will revoke Turkey's membership?
Unfortunately NATO probably needs Turkey more than Turkey needs NATO. -refugees, refugees, refugees -2nd biggest military in NATO -Incirlik Airbase -Access and control to Syria -Radar and other intel gathering equipment looking over Russia's belly and Middle East -blocking Russian access to the Med -human intelligence
Refugee handling is an EU problem, not really NATO. While there's substantial overlap, the US isn't going to negotiate with that in mind. And there's nothing stopping the EU from continuing to cut a refugee-handling-for-money deal if Turkey exits NATO.
Airbases can still be leased, although it would depend on how badly relations deteriorated.
I think Turkeys biggest fear would be that NATO members stop quietly ignoring Turkey's bombing of PKK bases inside Iraqi Kurdistan and Syria. If Turkey wasn't in NATO, there's nothing stopping the US or others from giving various Kurdish groups weaponry which could threaten Turkey's air superiority (AA missiles, not jets). This would make Turkey's war against the PKK internally a lot more difficult.
So, I do think Turkey will recognize that it will suffer greatly outside NATO, and will take at least basic steps to preserve membership. But we'll see.
This is going to end poorly... False flag or not, the coup has given Erdogan an excuse to flush out and exterminate all who oppose him. Anyone want to take bets how long until NATO will revoke Turkey's membership?
I'll take your bet. It's a trick question because Greece was not expelled from NATO when it was under a military dictatorship, and so I am sure Turkey would not be either.
Can anyone tell me why this article got flagged on HN????
Can anyone tell me why this article got flagged on HN????
Maybe AI, space stuff or immortality - essentially the same thing. First of all I think these are overrated. The fun thing about these is the thought that "holy fuck we will actually do it!!". When it is there it will be like commercial aviation.
And even if you truly want to accomplish them by all means, the best strategy I can come up with is a) get the best of the best and b) throw all your money at them. If you perform a Gleichschaltung it will definitely harm your ability to throw money. So my dictatorship would consist mostly of cost cutting, economic incentives, educational reforms, reducing administration costs - essentially what every government claims to try anyway.