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Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Why not more Gary Johnson supporters?

> Why not more Gary Johnson supporters? Because Peter Thiel, among others, are largely operating on a hybrid ideology with the pillars of Nativism/Nationalism & Libertarianism. Gary Johnson is pretty much a pure in the middle of the right/left axis among the range that is called "Libertarian". He is too left-leaning for many of the people that call themselves Libertarian but want to be able to enforce their beliefs o…

>But want to be able to enforce their beliefs on other people.

Is there not a more contradictory thing to say? I don't know how libertarians are okay with others using their moniker for something that doesn't seem libertarian.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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There are quite a few Trump supporters in the Valley, but they simply stay quiet because they will get 'racist' yelled at them and it will potentially hurt their careers.

> they will get 'racist' yelled

This formulation implies they are victims of people irrationally yelling 'racist' at them. They just said they supported a particular political candidate! How unfair of the mob to slur them!

You elide the underlying cause: they keep quiet to avoid having 'racist' yelled at them, because being a Trump supporter is supporting racism.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

#83

There are quite a few Trump supporters in the Valley, but they simply stay quiet because they will get 'racist' yelled at them and it will potentially hurt their careers.

> they will get 'racist' yelled This formulation implies they are victims of people irrationally yelling 'racist' at them. They just said they supported a particular political candidate! How unfair of the mob to slur them! You elide the underlying cause: they keep quiet to avoid having 'racist' yelled at them, because being a Trump supporter is supporting racism.

See?

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Trump has an extensive history of using racism to divide people for his own benefit.

Examples? Should be pretty easy to find if it is an "extensive history"

He was (is?) a birther, and made it central to his political stances at the time way beyond anything that is acceptable.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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> Mr. Thiel will have a direct line to a chief executive who hints at a penchant for making big things happen for his supporters. Look at this masterfully subtle insinuation that Trump will be corrupt. The NY Times never fails to impress. > This year there was an opportunity for a Republican to make overtures to tech — but with Mr. Trump, that chance seems to have passed. >[...] >it almost seems like he’s gone out of…

Well, it is not surprising why Thiel supports Trump: SELF INTEREST. It _has_ to be. Thiel seems like a remarkably smart guy who would never fall for the fool BS coming out "The Donald's" mouth. He must be in it for the influence he can leverage out of the orangutan-man from being a delegate, an influential SV player and and sizable donor. What will really be interesting is the (what I expect to be) PURE pandering bal…

I also support Trump out of self interest.

It is in my self interest to live in a county not divided along racial lines, where rule of law exists, where rioters are not given "space to destroy", where people are judged on their merit rather than on the color of their skin, where our military is powerful and deters threats from abroad, and where I can go out with my friends and family and not get run over or shot and tortured by a deranged Islamist lunatic.

I am very self interested.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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I don't even think we're that rare. The more left leaning folks around here are just _really_ left though, so staying quiet makes more sense most of the time.

What do you like about him?

He has espoused a non-interventionalist foreign policy. Unfortunately though, he is not a man of principle; therefore, I don't have high hopes he would follow through unlike someone like Ron Paul.

So for libertarian leaning voters, some might opt for Trump in hopes of less war. I feel that is a bit of a wildcard though. On the other hand, those same voters likely feel that Clinton is more certain of more war and debt.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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post #27

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Examples? Should be pretty easy to find if it is an "extensive history"

The Wall? Anti-trade? Believes judges with Muslim or Mexican heritage are incapable of being fair?

Sorry, you are confusing nationalism with racism. For example, there is nothing racist about border security (the wall). In fact without significant border security, a nation ceases to exist.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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> After that, he suggested, things went south because, among other things, women were given the right to vote. Wow, does Peter Thiel really think that women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

There's a certain conservative mentality that delights in being more-reactionary-than-thou. When I encounter it I tend to say things like "Oh, the real problem started when we adopted agriculture in 6000BC. It was Big Government that wanted us to drop the hunter-gatherer lifestyle and submit to the state. And don't get me started on the invention of reading and writing..."

That's pretty much what the ideology of primitivism is about. They advocate a return to the hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

John Zerzan (/ˈzɜːrzən/, zur-zən; born 1943) is an American anarchist and primitivist philosopher and author. His works criticize agricultural civilization as inherently oppressive, and advocate drawing upon the ways of life of hunter-gatherers as an inspiration for what a free society should look like. Some subjects of his criticism include domestication, language, symbolic thought (such as mathematics and art) and the concept of time. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Zerzan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

#90
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There are quite a few Trump supporters in the Valley, but they simply stay quiet because they will get 'racist' yelled at them and it will potentially hurt their careers.

Don't you think being a Trump supporter =should= hurt most people's careers? It's pretty poor judgment, for starters.

Many prominent republicans have come to this same conclusion, so it's not an unreasonable fear.
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