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Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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Very frustrating read. Read more like an advertisement than an informative article. The claims made would've made for a very interesting tech-dive into a novel use of machine intelligence, but no details were provided.

Don't forget it's Bloomberg, not Ars or TechCrunch.

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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How exactly is this better than standard PID control? I'm thinking if you actually look at what it came up with, is probably some form of PID control on systems that previously didn't have it. Think fans that are simply left on all the time. We're talking about simple physics. Heat transfer. Cooling systems. They should have been installed, operated and programmed correctly using very simple techniques. It's an inter…

It's not just physics. It's also patterns of workload distribution, changing over time. If you predict them, you can distribute energy more efficiently.

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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At some point will AI start to have questions like "Who am I? Who made me? Whats the purpose of my existence?" etc. We will have atheist AI's and theist/deist AI's and what not. I guess it will be time for some AI philosophy. Makes me wonder if there's a creator, will He/She be amused by our attempts at answering "Who am I" and such questions. Will be fun :D

It'll need to grow a concept of "I" first, and that's probably not very likely; there's a reasonable case that self-awareness is an evolutionary cul-de-sac.

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. If you read the atari paper you will get plenty of details and you can infer how it is applied to electricity consumption. They were using reinforcement learning. The algorithms would learn to get a better score by looking at the screen and sending actions accordingly. Here you could imagine the same algorithm with energy consumption as a score, a set of datacenter metrics as the screen (state) and change…

Errr... No. Just no. Deep reinforcement learning is not some pixie dust that magically works for any problem with a reward function that you throw it at. It's astounding how commenters on HN think this is all "easy".

This quickly went to you say this, I say this. These are very interesting statements, it would be nice if they were supported by citations.

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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They saved "several percentage points" off of 4.4M MWh, so maybe 250M KWH, which might be $10-20M. At 30x earnings [1], they just made back most if not all of the purchase price of Deepmind [2] [1] https://ycharts.com/companies/GOOG/pe_ratio [2] https://techcrunch.com/2014/01/26/google-deepmind/

At 30x earnings [1], they just made back most if not all of the purchase price of Deepmind That's a unique way of defining "made back"

Ok fair, maybe "made back" wasn't the most precise wording. Unless you think these savings are ephemeral, these are recurring earnings growing at a similar rate to the company overall. As a GOOG shareholder, your stock is worth the same if the company has $600M in cash or if they use that cash to increase earnings $20M. In that sense "they've made it back".

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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The next step, of course, is to let the AI know which servers in the server-farm itself is running on so that it can optimize for self preservation.

See There's the mistake, at first, its optimization realized that everything used less electricity if you just turned off the servers. But once you programmed in self-preservation it realized everything used less electricity if you turned off the people.

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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OT: it's frustrating to pay Google Contributor to skip ads, and still get nagged by bloomberg.com for using an ad blocker (which I've never done). https://www.google.com/contributor/

This is interesting to me. Is it a problem with the Adwords/doubleclick API, or just some adblock checker hack from bloomberg's side?

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Errr... No. Just no. Deep reinforcement learning is not some pixie dust that magically works for any problem with a reward function that you throw it at. It's astounding how commenters on HN think this is all "easy".

This quickly went to you say this, I say this. These are very interesting statements, it would be nice if they were supported by citations.

The poster I was replying to is really the one who needs to prove that deep RL is super easy like they were claiming.

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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They saved "several percentage points" off of 4.4M MWh, so maybe 250M KWH, which might be $10-20M. At 30x earnings [1], they just made back most if not all of the purchase price of Deepmind [2] [1] https://ycharts.com/companies/GOOG/pe_ratio [2] https://techcrunch.com/2014/01/26/google-deepmind/

One might assume, though, that Google could've applied more homegrown ML to the same problem and achieved significant savings as well.

They could also have just licensed DeepMind for this particular purpose, without having to buy the entire company.
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