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Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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"Now that DeepMind knows the approach works, it also knows where its AI system lacks information, so it may ask Google to put additional sensors into its data centers to let its software eke out even more efficiency."

Sounds like active learning to me. It's a type of machine learning where a learner pro-actively ask for interesting data points to be labeled so that he can learn more about the system. :)

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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They saved "several percentage points" off of 4.4M MWh, so maybe 250M KWH, which might be $10-20M. At 30x earnings [1], they just made back most if not all of the purchase price of Deepmind [2] [1] https://ycharts.com/companies/GOOG/pe_ratio [2] https://techcrunch.com/2014/01/26/google-deepmind/

One might assume, though, that Google could've applied more homegrown ML to the same problem and achieved significant savings as well.

Indeed. One of the "elephant in the room" parts of all of these corporate/pr press releases dressed up as news/revenue reports is that they never report or investigate opportunity cost: say how much could google have saved with a simple algorithm, homegrown solution, or 4 heuristic if/then/else statements.

I've been involved with similar multi-million dollar projects that were reported to be bringing in XX million in revenue/savings over three years. What isn't reported is that the revenue was just being moved from another project that was canned, and a guy in an office for a week looking at a spreadsheet could have found similar savings without the expense/complexity. (Not that I'm saying that's what's happening in google s case, but the fluff peices are so universally fluffy, you aren't given enough information to know that it isn't)

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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post #10

They saved "several percentage points" off of 4.4M MWh, so maybe 250M KWH, which might be $10-20M. At 30x earnings [1], they just made back most if not all of the purchase price of Deepmind [2] [1] https://ycharts.com/companies/GOOG/pe_ratio [2] https://techcrunch.com/2014/01/26/google-deepmind/

At 30x earnings [1], they just made back most if not all of the purchase price of Deepmind

That's a unique way of defining "made back"

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One might assume, though, that Google could've applied more homegrown ML to the same problem and achieved significant savings as well.

Indeed. One of the "elephant in the room" parts of all of these corporate/pr press releases dressed up as news/revenue reports is that they never report or investigate opportunity cost: say how much could google have saved with a simple algorithm, homegrown solution, or 4 heuristic if/then/else statements. I've been involved with similar multi-million dollar projects that were reported to be bringing in XX million in…

I wonder what the opportunity cost is for the various departments that get put into overdrive for any acquisition: business analysts doing number crunching, legal doing legal, engineers doing various integrations, executives doing lunches. Countless (tens of?) thousands of hours of work before any productivity is yielded, and then when it finally is yielded its propped up by all kinds of dubious accounting to seem like more of a success then it probably was..

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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They need to find some medium sized city that will let them play with their traffic lights.

I've actually taken some sociology classes about this and the professor was a physicist who went into sociology and he used a lot of maths and modeling to tackle this problem in a local city. Unfortunately I do not have any data on this anymore but I remember it being surprisingly complex because human behaviour plays a big role, but there are massive improvements to be made with traffic lights, and so he did.

And then a city councilman hits 3 red lights in a row, blames the AI, and ends the program.

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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How exactly is this better than standard PID control? I'm thinking if you actually look at what it came up with, is probably some form of PID control on systems that previously didn't have it. Think fans that are simply left on all the time.

We're talking about simple physics. Heat transfer. Cooling systems. They should have been installed, operated and programmed correctly using very simple techniques.

It's an interesting application but I'm thinking this is a prima facie example of over-engineering.

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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OT: it's frustrating to pay Google Contributor to skip ads, and still get nagged by bloomberg.com for using an ad blocker (which I've never done). https://www.google.com/contributor/

The article was quite low on substance, but quite readable for me. With no ads at all. And no ad blocker nag.

Firefox + NoScript for the win.

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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The next step, of course, is to let the AI know which servers in the server-farm itself is running on so that it can optimize for self preservation.

Ah yes, Darwin's black box for AI.

... and then suddenly it magically develops the concept of self-preservation fully formed, and begins taking action based upon this.

Even if the AI were to have a concept of what it is, because the fundamental goal against which it measures success is power draw the AI would only select for "self-preservation" if that action had a beneficial effect on power draw.

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