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Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

jjawssd wrote: post #65
SyneRyder wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I like my Macs, I don't think you can claim a Mac is cheap now. I was in the market for a new MacBook Pro, but the machine I was looking at was going to cost me over $4000 (Australian, but at today's exchange rates that's still about $3200 USD). Apple really price gouge on SSD & RAM upgrades - there is no way a 1TB SSD costs $800. I ended up buying a fully-spec'd 2012 MBP instead (more affordable, better k…

tl;dr my friend's mac broke all macs suck

He doesn't even mention a friend having a broken mac, I think you miss-parsed; or maybe I did. "this" mac broke, not "his"?? Certainly you summary is wrong as a synopsis of his comment.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by Piskvorrr »

iancarroll wrote: post #42
gnu8 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would this comment be voted down? Software that tries to mislead and nag the user into taking an action that damages their computer is malware. The only reason Microsoft doesn't forcibly apply the update to all Windows computers without permission is because that would undeniably be malware. But the net effect is the same - Windows 10 is installed without the owner's knowledge or consent. Windows 10 IS malware.

Windows 10 doesn't (edit: intentionally) damage a computer. Calling it malware is ridiculous.

Consider this: "downtime on all workstations at once, during business hours, regardless of consent, and afterwards, peripherals no longer interface (WHICH IS WHY WE WANTED TO TEMPORARILY KEEP W7 WHILE WORKING ON A FIX)" - but no physical damage to computers, so everything is great and wonderful, right? Right? Nope, that's malware by any other name. Including the overreaction by mgmt: "IT shall repave to Win7 from backups, lockdown and disable WU - we literally cannot afford to catch Windows X again." Everyone loses, just because some schmuck at Redmond had the great idea of an unconsented "up"grade.

Edit: Intentionally forces the system to a state where functionality is unknown (as opposed to breaking the system on purpose). Big honking difference, yeah right. "I just pushed him into the pool, you mean I should have checked if he can swim? Wait, what do you mean 'if he even wanted to?' That's ridiculous, of course he did!" The problem (malware-ness, if you wish) isn't with the upgrade (we would have upgraded in a matter of 6-8 weeks), it's the disregard for consent ("you didn't say 'no' often enough, that's a loud and clear 'yes' to me").

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by xemdetia »

davidf18 wrote: post #40

In real dollars, the cost of Macs are extremely low. $1 in 2000 is about $1.40 now. So the cost of a $1000 13" Mac Air which is a very respectable laptop is about $700 in 2000 dollars. Even IBM has gone to using Macs today. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2998315/apple-mac/every... So the machines are very cheap, even to IBM they are easier to use and require less tech support. For those that want to do some sof…

> Even IBM has gone to using Macs today. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2998315/apple-mac/every....

> So the machines are very cheap, even to IBM they are easier to use and require less tech support. For those that want to do some software development with open source, very useful.

This is just untrue at many levels, there is still plenty of early adopter issues going around and there are plenty of people getting new laptops with Windows/Linux OS. It certainly hasn't stopped IBM's contributions to open source before or after.

This is a weird argument to make.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by WorldMaker »

sixhobbits wrote: post #15
yoavm wrote: post #4

Personally I find it very odd. I've been a Linux-only user for the past 13 years, and Windows 10 was the first time I actually considered trying Windows as my main OS. I guess our metrics are different.

Same - recently switched from Linux to a Windows 10 laptop. Between the virtual desktops and resizable command prompt with clipboard support (along with git tools for Windows that allow ls grep etc in command prompt and along with AHK to implement decent workspace switching) it's almost caught up :)

Anniversary Update in a few weeks will let you run Ubuntu's Bash, too, if you want to.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by SyneRyder »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #71
jjawssd wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tl;dr my friend's mac broke all macs suck

He doesn't even mention a friend having a broken mac, I think you miss-parsed; or maybe I did. "this" mac broke, not "his"?? Certainly you summary is wrong as a synopsis of his comment.

That's correct - by "this" Mac I meant the one I'm typing on now.

It works at the moment, but it has twice lost the startup drive & refused to start without new replacement components from Apple - not something I expect from brand new hardware bought direct from Apple.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by cptskippy »

tedunangst wrote: post #51
adevine wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In real dollars, the cost of Macs are extremely low. $1 in 2000 is about $1.40 now. So the cost of a $1000 13" Mac Air which is a very respectable laptop is about $700 in 2000 dollars. This comparison makes no sense to me. It's 2016, not 2000, so the fact that a Mac Air is $700 in 2000 dollars is a completely random and arbitrary number.

You couldn't buy any laptop of any quality for $700 in 2000. Macs have the reputation of being overpriced, but they are much more affordable than computers at the turn of the century. Of course, PCs are still available for less, but the point is that many people previously unable to afford a Mac can.

Macs have a reputation for being overpriced because their hardware is overpriced compared to similarly speced PCs. Just because they are now more affordable doesn't mean that they're not overpriced.

Macs have a value proposition based on the user experience, quality of software, and quality of hardware. This value proposition is relative and certain market segments have never seen it. Graphic designers appreciate the consistency and accuracy of Apple products in their workflows so the value proposition was high. Gamers however saw anemic hardware and limited support so the value proposition was extremely low. With the arrival of OSX and the growth of the internet and *nix based development, and then with iOS, the value proposition for software developers grew significantly.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by tunap »

iancarroll wrote: post #42
gnu8 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would this comment be voted down? Software that tries to mislead and nag the user into taking an action that damages their computer is malware. The only reason Microsoft doesn't forcibly apply the update to all Windows computers without permission is because that would undeniably be malware. But the net effect is the same - Windows 10 is installed without the owner's knowledge or consent. Windows 10 IS malware.

Windows 10 doesn't (edit: intentionally) damage a computer. Calling it malware is ridiculous.

Damage plays no part in it, unless it is specifically coded to that end:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by cptskippy »

SeanDav wrote: post #58

Ironically, Windows 10 is probably the Microsoft OS that is going to push me full time to using Linux. Right now I use Linux for work, but home network, and laptops (except 1 Mac) all run on Windows 7/8. However the underhanded tactics that Microsoft have resorted to in order to try force me to upgrade and the fact that I lose significant (actually all) control on patching, worries about MS spyware etc means that Win…

This false rhetoric is really getting old. The double standards, holding MS to a higher standard than everyone else, and the ignoring of reality really make it hard to sympathize with the one valid argument you actually have.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by arbuge »

Frank2312 wrote: post #8
arbuge wrote: post #5

Ever since I installed it on my work laptop, it's been crashing the file manager every few days, requiring a reboot. Sometimes more often. I've been refraining from installing it on a bunch of other PCs since then.

If you have Clover installed, that may be the issue. As soon as I uninstalled it, no more problem. One of my friends also had Clover installed, but he had no problems.

>> If you have Clover installed, that may be the issue.

I don't, so that's not it...

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by donny2015 »

nimos wrote: post #57

I think a big part of the problem is Windows 7 is so good. I have very little incentive to switch at all. I'll probably do it sometime in the next week because free upgrades end July 29th but only because I have Windows 10 on a laptop and I've been happy with it. If I hadn't had that experience I wouldn't risk it.

Yes, Windows 7 is very good indeed, but after upgrading to Win 10 none of my workflows changed, and my 7 year old laptop got noticeably snappier.
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