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Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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From Reddit: "I've read a few of Cooper's books and the short answer is yes, pedophilia is a common theme in his writing (as is incest and necrophilia)." [1] I'm calling it now. It was child porn. Google doesn't like to go around deleting people's stuff. When this has happened in the past it's been child porn, which Google is obligated by governments everywhere to delete with extreme prejudice. And of course they're…

Your link does not really support your claim.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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From Reddit: "I've read a few of Cooper's books and the short answer is yes, pedophilia is a common theme in his writing (as is incest and necrophilia)." [1] I'm calling it now. It was child porn. Google doesn't like to go around deleting people's stuff. When this has happened in the past it's been child porn, which Google is obligated by governments everywhere to delete with extreme prejudice. And of course they're…

Whelp. I hope you're wrong.

A former in-law was detained and deported by the USA, leaving family behind. I hate this man and all he's done. So while my liberal pinko commie sensibilities opposes everything done to him, and how it was done, it couldn't have happened to a nicer person.

Being conflicted like that is a terrible feeling. It shows the need for rules. If the rules are applied unevenly, especially against those we don't like, they're no longer rules but state sanctioned grudges.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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I'm not going to comment on the topic of the content involved. But seems to me that using your own doamain name (not hosting the blog on blogspot) and/or a backup would have solved this issue.

Even if you're using blogspot, that's no reason not to have a backup.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Everyone should occasionally use Google Takeout to back up their stuff, but non-tech users don't understand this. I use my own domain and private email service but I do run my blog on blogger. But, I have done the experiment of converting Google Takeout data for my blog and hosting it on my own server. My default is to use blogger because I like how comments are handled. Services that Google and Facebook provide can…

I too have never heard of Takeout. It seems like it's been in around since 2011 with a much smaller set of supported services [1]. One of the top results when you search for 'Google Takeout' is one from 2011 titled 'The Silent Release of Google Takeout' [2].

It looks like it used to be closely associated with the Google Plus branding more so than Account Management, so that may explain why it's not as widely known.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Data_Liberation_Front

[2] http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/the-silent-release-o...

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Personal domains won't help you if the state releases laws which enables providers to silence whole domains against unwanted opinions. What we need is a new decentralized Internet. We need not only open source software (for security reasons), not only open hardware (for security reasons) but also a new open non-commercial Internet which cannot be censored.

Could you elaborate on the non-commercial aspects of this proposed solution? I think it's especially important to make it clear where the money will come from.

From the users of course. Remember the modem times when the users had to pay for the phone bills. In the same way users could use their phone lines for the next internet. We could also build a wifi mesh with mobile devices.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Brilliantly said. I think everyone, unless they intend to be a digital hermit, should have his or her own personal domain. I know people are not routinely educated about these things, and that is a problem; but when an otherwise serious person tells me that his email address is joe12345@stupidmail.com, a red flag about his competence is raised somewhere in the back of my mind, at least.

Probably instead of a domain, it should be a private key. Generated at the time your birth certificate is.

Problem is, what if somebody steals that private key, or if you lose it?

The solution clearly goes on that direction, but this is not enough. And I'd really like to see this one problem solved before we have to start asking something like "and what if somebody takes control of your brain, or you lose access to it?"

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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It's still problematic, even if the work was distasteful or even illegal. There was no process involved, no chance for appeal, no explanation of the charges that precipitated it. If it truly is illegal materials that violate laws, then deleting it is deleting evidence and helping cover up crimes. If it was art that borders on distasteful to some then google is deciding taste and public values with private algorithms.…

But possession of child pornography is what's illegal. They very well may have reported the owner of the blog to the authorities but, in the mean time, google was both possessing and distributing the material. It's not that it's violating their TOS, it's that Google thought they may have been violating the law. EDIT: At least if that's what the content was.

Then suspend the blog, and allow for some process to deal with the situation. Don't just torch everything on some suspicion of something going wrong. This isn't a new issue for Google. They're notorious for fucking with people's accounts and providing no recourse or customer support. Something happens? Better hope your uncle works at Google or your shit out of luck.

Hell, I've hosted most of my personal domains' email accounts via Google. A few months ago one of them was deleted. I never really used the email, but I certainly had things on their I would like to have for posterity. When Google deleted the account I was given no recourse or ability to appeal. It was just gone. It's not as if the account was even anything controversial, it was just my contact-me email for an old NES modding site I had.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Fully agree with your comments, but I fear we're going in the wrong direction with the silo-ization of the web and the decline in open standards being ratified and used by large companies. Just look at Google's hostility towards maintaining standardized IMAP/SMTP support for third party mail clients. Google Apps and Office 365 would drop IMAP access to their services in a heartbeat if they could. Furthermore a lot of…

Closed platforms come with a risk of censorship. Open platforms come with floods of spam and phishing attacks. Fundamentally life is about trade offs. For most people closed platforms are the better choice.

Luckily, everyone's happy to come to the compromise of doing nothing and letting the dominant paradigm figure out what should happen, because that's such a great solution. /s

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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I'll elaborate a little. The impression I have formed is that gmail will have whatever features google's gmail-for-businesses product needs. If a considerable percentage of customers (ie. the ones who pay per month and user) use a particular feature, then that feature stays and is maintained.

Does not the ol' Don't-Be-Evil corporation owe it to society to maintain features that support the common good? I know from my experience in hwops that plenty of people on the corp domain DO believe that they are working towards a better world--and that making more money will only accelerate progress towards that goal. The question is: are they wrong? Has Google lost its way? Let's look not just at this IMAP issue bu…

XMPP is even better example than IMAP.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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The hindsight-prescriptive comments here focus on backing up, and that's a sensible practice. But there was another kind of damage done here, to the man's identity, location and voice. His blog and his email address were his public persona. He used his blog and his address as identity, and as his channel of communication with followers, other artists, and I assume most of his general online communication. That person…

Better way to put this is to pay for the service if you're relying on it as a source of income or advertising yourself to the world.

It's not better at all.

There are plenty of paid services that will lock you in and will terminate your account if something big enough happens.

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