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Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by antisthenes »

jacquesm wrote: post #137
cocotino wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Citation fairly urgently needed. Think of African or American colonisation for example. Local opposition had to be removed. Think of the war on drugs in the USA, which was a covert operation to kill blacks. Etc >Does that mean we will have to get rid of the killers as well? They're uncivilized people as well, after all. No they are not. They earned the right to kill drug lords and junkies through democracy. With all…

> Think of African or American colonisation for example. Local opposition had to be removed. Right, let's just say that that is probably not the strongest argument you could have made. > Think of the war on drugs in the USA, which was a covert operation to kill blacks. That's an interesting alternative reading. The 'war on drugs' was a misguided attempt at solving a societal problem through confrontational means. Rou…

Your snark and arrogance aren't helping your case here.

It's fairly obvious you have no frame of reference to judge the people that elected this president, for better or for worse, and what conditions have led them to such measures.

You'd be surprised what thoughts enter your mind when you live in conditions with constant danger and stark prospects. But you'd have to have experienced it, which you obviously haven't.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by antisthenes »

venomsnake wrote: post #246
jacquesm wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think that idiot is the wrong insult here I think it is entirely appropriate for the ruler of a country who instead of attacking the root cause of corruption in that country decides to give license to his population to go and kill each other instead. > But we live in a world in which Saudi Arabia is chair of the UN human rights council ... Ugh. I had to go and look that up to make sure you weren't pulling my leg.…

He is idiot if he does not achieve his goals. If his goals are western democracy - then he is indeed an idiot. If his goal is strong Philippines under El Presidente that conveniently shares the same name as him ... he is on the right way. I know I am cynical as a person nearing the age of 350 but after the drug dealer "threat" is dealt with, the corrupted (and his opponents) may as well be his next extrajudical targe…

Perhaps you can shed some light on how you lived to be almost 350?

Do you exercise or is it purely genetic?

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by mnbcvx »

lostlogin wrote: post #316
jister wrote: post #172

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Those related to drugs were killed during a buy-bust operation. And yes, there is judicial process but people will read more if the media highlights and writes about "extrajudicial killing" instead.

And here is the President threatening to murder someone accused of drug trafficking if they step off a plane. This person hasn't been through the court process. Why do you think this is ok? http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/philippine-pre...

This whole thread is ludicrous. Two right-wing foreigners make hateful top level comments tacitly endorsing the execution and forced rehabilitation of drug users, and HN upvotes it why?

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by mnbcvx »

ianai wrote: post #301
norswap wrote: post #288

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I'm susceptible as the next man, but I'm pretty damn sure I will never go around killing drug traffickers or users with the justification of improving my country or something abstract like that. It wouldn't be the same if, for instance, they posed a direct physical threat to me or my close ones.

But they do pose a direct, physical threat to everyone in the phillipines.

What? So let's kill drug addicts everywhere?

Here's an idea... those Filipinos over there have such a violent country! They just can't get there act together! I guess Filipinos are prone to violence, and they DO pose a direct, physical threat to everyone in the world! So, go ahead and kill a Filipino if you see one -- you'll just be putting them out of their misery -- and of course we're so benevolent, we offer free rehabilitation (AKA prison) for any Filipino that turns themselves in.

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Post by xg15 »

cocotino wrote: post #68
electic wrote: post #16

> During the campaign, Duterte said 100,000 people would die in his crackdown, with so many dead bodies dumped in Manila Bay that fish there would grow fat from feeding on them. This isn't a joke. This is real. What a sick bastard.

Tell that to those who are tired of not being safe in their own homes because of the drug lords. Of course it's easy to say he's sick when you live in a civilised place with police protection.

How exactly are they safe now?

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Post by xg15 »

geowwy wrote: post #25
libeclipse wrote: post #2

Is this a joke? Surely something so utterly stupid can't be real. This man just gave the public free rein to murder and get away with it. Jesus this planet is insane.

Seems crazy but people of the Philippines knew what they were voting for. This is exactly what he did when he was mayor of Davao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte#Davao_City_may... To play devil's advocate: Drugs and the criminal networks supported by drugs are a massive problem in the Philippines. Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it, but this is a solution that works, even if it does off…

Everything else aside, how would that method even work to combat criminal networks? Wouldn't the criminal networks simply use this law to legalize their own murders by labeling everyone they murdered "drug user"?

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Post by xg15 »

Bakary wrote: post #165
norswap wrote: post #148

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Gotta love your brand of moral relativism.

It's easy to have a moral compass when nothing ever challenges it.

And it's easy to have no moral compass if you are constantly challenged

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by xg15 »

jister wrote: post #127

DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…

I still haven't seen the practical question answered what would stop people from simply murdering whoever they have a personal grudge against and labeling them "drug addict" after the fact.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by jacquesm »

antisthenes wrote: post #331
jacquesm wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Think of African or American colonisation for example. Local opposition had to be removed. Right, let's just say that that is probably not the strongest argument you could have made. > Think of the war on drugs in the USA, which was a covert operation to kill blacks. That's an interesting alternative reading. The 'war on drugs' was a misguided attempt at solving a societal problem through confrontational means. Rou…

Your snark and arrogance aren't helping your case here. It's fairly obvious you have no frame of reference to judge the people that elected this president, for better or for worse, and what conditions have led them to such measures. You'd be surprised what thoughts enter your mind when you live in conditions with constant danger and stark prospects. But you'd have to have experienced it, which you obviously haven't.

Your ability to articulate does not make you any more right.

Really, this whole thread is a testimony to how easy it is to slide into a dictatorship or fascism.

The only time when morality matters is when it is challenged. If you de-humanize others - no matter who - you are also de-humanizing yourself and that road leads fairly directly into hell.

I've spent enough time with people who spent time in those hells to recognize the prelude to one.

I strongly suggest you study up on the person of 'El Presidente' a little bit more before you come out in defense of this person. A couple of hours reading might sway you to the position that this person is going to cause absolutely nothing but trouble (and in fact, is already causing it).

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by jacquesm »

icpmacdo wrote: post #330
jacquesm wrote: post #192

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He's dead serious. Unfortunately.

I have never seen such a defence of fascism on HN like were seeing in this thread..

Agreed. It's absolutely incredible and very sad.
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