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Transforming NYC's Payphones into a 'Personalized Propaganda Engine'

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Re: Transforming NYC's Payphones into a 'Personalized Propaganda Engine'

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Which is pretty spoofable.

True, although that's hardly common and completely impossible on many embedded devices - devices which are only becoming more common.

Embedded devices and public WiFi seem like an odd combination. Do you have any examples in mind which embedded devices you'd like to connect to something like that?

Re: Transforming NYC's Payphones into a 'Personalized Propaganda Engine'

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I was walking down 3rd ave at 2am a week ago. I saw a homeless man with headphones listening to music on YouTube on a link. He had a little chair and was rocking out. It was beautiful. We might give up a lot, but maybe those with nothing to give have plenty to gain.

I came here to say something similar. I've seen many people using them all hours of the day & night. People are watching music videos, charging their phone, getting directions, and surfing the internet. The people using them are often those that don't have the luxury (necessity?) of walking around with a nice smart phone and a big data plan. Do they have ads on them? Of course. So do the bus shelters which are funded…

Google's business model is based on selling user-generated data to advertisers, unlike telcos who sell network data to you.

See Harvard professor Shoshana Zuboff's video on Surveillance Capitalism, https://vimeo.com/110222526

NYC has the leverage to negotiate better financial terms for capturing the value of city residents data. The money generated from harvesting city resident behavior can then be invested into city infrastructure and services for residents.

Data and networks are here to stay. What is open for negotiation is the split of revenue between city residents and vendors. For example, kiosks could be funded as neutral infrastructure that could be shared by competing vendors. A city itself is "shared infrastructure".

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I counted 21 cases of mostly targeted ads in that single article.

And what makes you think the author of that article has any control over the business model of the publication they're writing for? Are we not allowed to criticize ad tech online in ad supported venues? Because all of the most popular venues are ad supported. If you want a voice, you have to make compromises.

A digital ocean VPS is $5 a month. Is village voice.com really that big a draw?

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Which is pretty spoofable.

True, although that's hardly common and completely impossible on many embedded devices - devices which are only becoming more common.

don't iPhones do that by default? Not sure if it is common in Android-land by now, my old-ish phone required a custom ROM for that.

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I came here to say something similar. I've seen many people using them all hours of the day & night. People are watching music videos, charging their phone, getting directions, and surfing the internet. The people using them are often those that don't have the luxury (necessity?) of walking around with a nice smart phone and a big data plan. Do they have ads on them? Of course. So do the bus shelters which are funded…

On the streets and subways? Hell yeah it would be worth it. If I had to choose who gets my data I think I take Google over an A Mobile ISP like At&t or Verizon

This is my little deal with the devil, I know that google has loads of my data, but I know they'll do something to keep it in house, instead of selling it off to whoever. It's more profitable for google not to sell your data because they already have the largest ad provider out there.

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If they're serving ads based on personal information, some people might have a little embarrassment heading their way.

Jokes aside, we all knew this was coming, right? It's not like your telecom isn't serving you up to the NSA already, and with this you know you're being watched. It's just driving VPN sales.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what makes you think the author of that article has any control over the business model of the publication they're writing for? Are we not allowed to criticize ad tech online in ad supported venues? Because all of the most popular venues are ad supported. If you want a voice, you have to make compromises.

A digital ocean VPS is $5 a month. Is village voice.com really that big a draw?

Reporters and printing presses rarely run $5 a month.

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I came here to say something similar. I've seen many people using them all hours of the day & night. People are watching music videos, charging their phone, getting directions, and surfing the internet. The people using them are often those that don't have the luxury (necessity?) of walking around with a nice smart phone and a big data plan. Do they have ads on them? Of course. So do the bus shelters which are funded…

Google's business model is based on selling user-generated data to advertisers, unlike telcos who sell network data to you . See Harvard professor Shoshana Zuboff's video on Surveillance Capitalism, https://vimeo.com/110222526 NYC has the leverage to negotiate better financial terms for capturing the value of city residents data. The money generated from harvesting city resident behavior can then be invested into cit…

Google's business model is based on selling user-generated data to advertisers, unlike telcos who sell network data to you.

Come on. Telcos are just not competent enough to do what Google do. It's not like they're morally opposed to it or wouldn't try. Remember Verizon injecting headers into their users' http traffic to track them for advertisers?

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/verizon-x-uidh

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what makes you think the author of that article has any control over the business model of the publication they're writing for? Are we not allowed to criticize ad tech online in ad supported venues? Because all of the most popular venues are ad supported. If you want a voice, you have to make compromises.

A digital ocean VPS is $5 a month. Is village voice.com really that big a draw?

Presumably villagevoice actually pay their writers?

Re: Transforming NYC's Payphones into a 'Personalized Propaganda Engine'

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You do however bring (and broadcast) your MAC address, which was mentioned as permissible to collect.

Which is pretty spoofable.

The point is that normally having your mac address is a unique way to identify you. Unless I've misunderstood you, you seem to be saying that because it's possible to spoof your mac you shouldn't worry about it being collected?
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