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Transforming NYC's Payphones into a 'Personalized Propaganda Engine'

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I was walking down 3rd ave at 2am a week ago. I saw a homeless man with headphones listening to music on YouTube on a link. He had a little chair and was rocking out. It was beautiful. We might give up a lot, but maybe those with nothing to give have plenty to gain.

I tend to agree. The preventers of making progress that waste millions of tax payer money in the name of civil liberties have many valid points, but don't offer any implementable alternatives.

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I counted 21 cases of mostly targeted ads in that single article.

And what makes you think the author of that article has any control over the business model of the publication they're writing for? Are we not allowed to criticize ad tech online in ad supported venues? Because all of the most popular venues are ad supported. If you want a voice, you have to make compromises.

"If you want a voice, you have to make compromises."

"If you want free wifi, you have to make compromises."

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This sounds eerily like the plot of Watch Dogs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_Dogs

Google has repetitively made their interest in running cities public, Larry Page talks about it often. While this article is primarily focused on the Wi-Fi efforts in New York City, Google has been working with other cities to replace management of public transit and parking enforcement.

Then they've chosen city services that definitely could stand for some drastic improvement.

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I was walking down 3rd ave at 2am a week ago. I saw a homeless man with headphones listening to music on YouTube on a link. He had a little chair and was rocking out. It was beautiful. We might give up a lot, but maybe those with nothing to give have plenty to gain.

I came here to say something similar. I've seen many people using them all hours of the day & night. People are watching music videos, charging their phone, getting directions, and surfing the internet. The people using them are often those that don't have the luxury (necessity?) of walking around with a nice smart phone and a big data plan.

Do they have ads on them? Of course. So do the bus shelters which are funded using a similar public/private partnership.

If you are worried about the data collection, don't use them or the wifi provided by them. But you are basically saying you trust Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile/Sprint with your data more than you trust Sidewalk Labs/Google. Is that an informed tradeoff?

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> They're telling you that they can use your IP address, which is essentially you, and all of the pages you've viewed or searched for, including how long you visited them, to serve ads.

You don't bring your own IP when you use public WiFi, so this feels like a very confused argument.

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I was walking down 3rd ave at 2am a week ago. I saw a homeless man with headphones listening to music on YouTube on a link. He had a little chair and was rocking out. It was beautiful. We might give up a lot, but maybe those with nothing to give have plenty to gain.

In some parts of the city, there are sidewalk tables and chairs which are set up daily.

Those have apparently not been coordinated with the kiosks, where a variety of boxes, broken chairs, and random objects are being used as seating and obstructing the sidewalk.

If the tablet had been placed on the flat side of the kiosk, instead of the edge, city residents' kiosk seating would not reduce sidewalk traffic flow. That would also enable two tablets, doubling the seating capacity of the kiosk.

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> They're telling you that they can use your IP address, which is essentially you, and all of the pages you've viewed or searched for, including how long you visited them, to serve ads. You don't bring your own IP when you use public WiFi, so this feels like a very confused argument.

You do however bring (and broadcast) your MAC address, which was mentioned as permissible to collect.

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> They're telling you that they can use your IP address, which is essentially you, and all of the pages you've viewed or searched for, including how long you visited them, to serve ads. You don't bring your own IP when you use public WiFi, so this feels like a very confused argument.

You do however bring (and broadcast) your MAC address, which was mentioned as permissible to collect.

Which is pretty spoofable.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do however bring (and broadcast) your MAC address, which was mentioned as permissible to collect.

Which is pretty spoofable.

True, although that's hardly common and completely impossible on many embedded devices - devices which are only becoming more common.

Re: Transforming NYC's Payphones into a 'Personalized Propaganda Engine'

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I was walking down 3rd ave at 2am a week ago. I saw a homeless man with headphones listening to music on YouTube on a link. He had a little chair and was rocking out. It was beautiful. We might give up a lot, but maybe those with nothing to give have plenty to gain.

I came here to say something similar. I've seen many people using them all hours of the day & night. People are watching music videos, charging their phone, getting directions, and surfing the internet. The people using them are often those that don't have the luxury (necessity?) of walking around with a nice smart phone and a big data plan. Do they have ads on them? Of course. So do the bus shelters which are funded…

On the streets and subways?

Hell yeah it would be worth it. If I had to choose who gets my data I think I take Google over an A Mobile ISP like At&t or Verizon

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